I think this is a chicken and egg story. Before we compare with
Django, let's compare with Turbogears. According to google trends we
are as popular as they are (we going up and they going down). Same is
true for Cherrypy. Yet TG was allotted 8 hours of tutorials at Pycon
2009. Cherrypy had one talk. The web2py talks were rejected in 2008
and 2009. This is despite the fact pycon used web2py for their
registration software.

We all know what happened. A member of the SQLAlchemy community voted
against the web2py talks based on the argument that I would be doing
advertising and not a technical talk (pretending to forget I am a
prof. and not a salesman).

Why is that? I think there are multiple answers.

One is that the python community still perceives web2py as a one man
project. You people need to brag more about it and about your
contribution.

Another reason is that there are commercial interests behind web
frameworks and the bigger they are the more money have been invested
into them. Google has clearly made an investment into Django before
they ever heard of web2py. Remember that it is never about the best
technology, it always about getting the most users. Right now Django
has the most users and most people will back it up just for that
reason.

I think it is important to show Google and Guido that there is a
community behind web2py. That can be accomplished with email exchanges
but it should also be accomplished (and more effectively) by showing
off applications.

Web2py is growing exponentially (whatever system you use to measure
it: email, site visitors, group members), slowly but exponentially. It
will grow faster if Google were to acknowledge us but is not going to
happen until the community makes its voice heard.

As I said, it is a chicken and egg story.

Massimo


On Jul 6, 12:19 am, Yarko Tymciurak <[email protected]> wrote:
> yes - that was a nice, prominent mention....
>
> On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Hans Donner <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > And don't forget, web2py was already mentioned in a google appengine
> > blogpost
>
> >http://googleappengine.blogspot.com/2009/05/web2py-support-new-datast...
>
> > That's how I ended up here...
>
> > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 6:23 AM, JohnMc<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > A round about way with the Google is 'summer of code'. If there is one
> > > or several students making pitches for project acceptance that uses
> > > web2py for the project, then some form of recognition would be
> > > automatic.
>
> > > JohnMc
>
> > > On Jul 5, 10:26 pm, weheh <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> I never doubted it.
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