Hello Ovidio, I understand you and others are not happy with not having a web2py tutorial at Pycon. I am too. Nevertheless, I want to clarify a few things.
- The main reason I posted the list of tutorials was to inform you about the excellent tutorials that will be offered. The fact that there will not be a web2py tutorial should not overshadow the other good things about this conference. - Steve is right that last year the web2py tutorials was not well attended. Perhaps that was a motivation for the rejection? I have not yet received an official letter about the motivation for the rejection and I will share that this group. Whatever the reason, I trust the people involved in this decision and I trust the explanation will be satisfactory. - Of course I am a bit upset that the tutorial was rejected but this fact is not that that important. - I am still hoping we will get a web2py talk at PyCon since that never happened but now we need it less than we needed three hears ago. At that time it was important for us to outreach the python community and tell them about our cool new project. Today everybody knows about it and everybody had made up his/her mind. - If anything, I would like PyCon to give more time to new and emergent projects and less time to existing well established projects that have their own conferences. Yet this discussion does not belong here. We are one of those project that "almost" has its own conference. Not including web2py in PyCon hurts PyCon more than web2py since they exclude a large part of the community who may choose choose not to attend or donate. I personally will try attend (family matter permitting) and hope to see many of you there. - I believe that (although I may disagree with some of their decisions and procedures) the PyCon organizers and the PSF board act in the best interest of Python and they put a lot of effort and time in what they do. - I would rather not continue this discussion since I do not see any benefit from it. - I am a member of the Python Software Foundation so if you have opinions or suggestions, you can email them to me and I will be happy to convey them. - I thank you, Ovidio, for standing on the web2py side. Massimo On Dec 13, 10:17 am, Ovidio Marinho <[email protected]> wrote: > expalanation for me fault. > > Ovidio Marinho Falcao Neto > Web Developer > [email protected] > [email protected] > ITJP - itjp.net.br > 83 8826 9088 - Oi > 83 9334 0266 - Claro > Brasil > > Apóio > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Jesse Noller <[email protected]> > Date: 2011/12/13 > Subject: Re: [PyCon-Organizers] Web2py is Out Pycon2012 > To: Ovidio Marinho <[email protected]> > > Cc: [email protected] > > Ovidio: > > Just to be clear; web2py is in no way "banned" from PyCon - neither in the > tutorial or the talk tracks. When tutorials are selected we have to take > into account past popularity and performance. > > PyCon loses money on every attendee - we do this on purpose to keep costs > low for attendees as a whole. This is why it's important that when > selecting tutorials we keep an eye out for potential losses. If a tutorial > in the past did not reach a "break even" number of attendees, that fact has > to be accounted for when selecting tutorials in the future. > > We also select tutorials based on community feedback - we have data that we > consult from past conferences as well as surveys we perform to gauge the > relative interest the community has in a given subject. > > Regular track talks are vetted just as hard - competition is tough between > selected talks, but budget issues do not come into play. Instead, talks can > focus on the much broader view of the community and all of its groups, > tools and aspects. > > Once again, thank you for the feedback. I hope to see you in Santa Clara in > March. > > Jesse Noller > > On Tuesday, December 13, 2011 at 6:22 AM, Ovidio Marinho wrote: > > > A great honor to receive your e-mail, with their explanation, and as said > beforePyCon is the most important event for the Python community. Somehow > we cooperate with it or creating something new or reusing things that > already exist in the Python world. We are so upset and not understand how a > tool is featured in ayear for a single performance in 2010, this can be > banned from the big event, things evolve and in the case of web2py effort > has been an evolution for the better.But I understand the hard work of > selection because I'm sure that much good may have been left out even > web2py. But I would like presentations on the Agenda ofthe Committee to > this reservation of jobs that they could not join the Pycon2012, I hope > that the event is more a spectacle to the world of Python. > > > Ovidio Marinho Falcao Neto > > Web Developer > > [email protected] (mailto:[email protected]) > > [email protected] (mailto:[email protected]) > > ITJP - itjp.net.br (http://itjp.net.br) > > 83 8826 9088 - Oi > > 83 9334 0266 - Claro > > Brasil > > > Apóio > > > 2011/12/12 Jesse Noller <[email protected] (mailto:[email protected])> > > > Hello Mr. Marinho; > > > > I'm Jesse Noller - chair of the PyCon 2012 and 2013 conferences. First, > I'd like to thank you for your feedback - the entire team appreciates > hearing from the community about the the decisions we make. PyCon is first, > and foremost a conference community, managed by volunteers and community > members. > > > > As for the matter you mention - the lack of a web2py tutorial this year > is not a slight against web2py. I understand that it has been gaining > popularity, and that it has a vociferous and robust community. In the case > of PyCon - we did have a web2py tutorial last year (2010) and it was not > well attended. That, in and of itself is not a terrible thing - as we have > all seen web2py grow in the last year. > > > > However, coupled with the fact we had over 80 tutorials competing for > spots on a schedule that only allows us to have a fraction of that number > on it meant that competition was tight between the tutorials. The team did > their best striking a balance between interesting subjects, and subject > that are of mass appeal and usefulness for a majority of the tutorial > students. > > > > As you know, tutorials are paid-for by the students - each one costs > 150$ to attend - and therefore we aim to target tutorials to the widest > parts of the Python community and ecosystem. > > > > I understand Massimo - and other web2py users are upset: I saw the > email sent to the web2py users list by Massimo [1]. Please understand that > we do our best not to focus on a single framework, or library, but rather a > wide cross section of the Python community as a whole. > > > > I encourage you to keep in mind that the main conference talk schedule > is still pending - this represents some 90+ talks over three days on a > large number of topics. > > > > If you have any questions, feel free to ask. > > > > Jesse Noller > > > Chair, PyCon 2012 > > > > [1]http://groups.google.com/group/web2py/browse_thread/thread/eec9815ea0... > > > > On Monday, December 12, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Ovidio Marinho wrote: > > > > > Gentlemen, > > > > The world list web2py We're wondering why the Framework be out of the > cycle of tutorials. The web2py framework that has evolved over in > 2011(http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/bossie-awards-2011-th...), > then we would like an explanation as this palusivel eh not good for > the > Python community. > > > > > Ovidio Marinho Falcao Neto > > > > Web Developer > > > > [email protected] (mailto:[email protected]) (mailto: > [email protected]) > > > > [email protected] (mailto:[email protected]) (mailto: > [email protected]) > > > > ITJP - itjp.net.br (http://itjp.net.br) (http://itjp.net.br) > > > > 83 8826 9088 (tel:83%208826%209088) - Oi > > > > 83 9334 0266 (tel:83%209334%200266) - Claro > > > > Brasil > > > > > Apóio > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > PyCon-organizers mailing list > > > > [email protected] (mailto:[email protected]) > (mailto:[email protected]) > > > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-organizers
