Hello Massimo,
Study hard, live intensely studying about Python and web2py and when you're
offthe big event, it hurts a lot, I'm sad too, but I will not give up because
I know that you've created is the best, I'll study more because I'll try to
do a product that is recognized world wide. Very sad, but not give up.
thank's
Ovidio Marinho Falcao Neto
Web Developer
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2011/12/13 Massimo Di Pierro <[email protected]>
> Hello Ovidio,
>
> I understand you and others are not happy with not having a web2py
> tutorial at Pycon. I am too. Nevertheless, I want to clarify a few
> things.
>
> - The main reason I posted the list of tutorials was to inform you
> about the excellent tutorials that will be offered. The fact that
> there will not be a web2py tutorial should not overshadow the other
> good things about this conference.
>
> - Steve is right that last year the web2py tutorials was not well
> attended. Perhaps that was a motivation for the rejection? I have not
> yet received an official letter about the motivation for the rejection
> and I will share that this group. Whatever the reason, I trust the
> people involved in this decision and I trust the explanation will be
> satisfactory.
>
> - Of course I am a bit upset that the tutorial was rejected but this
> fact is not that that important.
>
> - I am still hoping we will get a web2py talk at PyCon since that
> never happened but now we need it less than we needed three hears ago.
> At that time it was important for us to outreach the python community
> and tell them about our cool new project. Today everybody knows about
> it and everybody had made up his/her mind.
>
> - If anything, I would like PyCon to give more time to new and
> emergent projects and less time to existing well established projects
> that have their own conferences. Yet this discussion does not belong
> here. We are one of those project that "almost" has its own
> conference. Not including web2py in PyCon hurts PyCon more than web2py
> since they exclude a large part of the community who may choose choose
> not to attend or donate. I personally will try attend (family matter
> permitting) and hope to see many of you there.
>
> - I believe that (although I may disagree with some of their decisions
> and procedures) the PyCon organizers and the PSF board act in the best
> interest of Python and they put a lot of effort and time in what they
> do.
>
> - I would rather not continue this discussion since I do not see any
> benefit from it.
>
> - I am a member of the Python Software Foundation so if you have
> opinions or suggestions, you can email them to me and I will be happy
> to convey them.
>
> - I thank you, Ovidio, for standing on the web2py side.
>
> Massimo
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 13, 10:17 am, Ovidio Marinho <[email protected]> wrote:
> > expalanation for me fault.
> >
> > Ovidio Marinho Falcao Neto
> > Web Developer
> > [email protected]
> > [email protected]
> > ITJP - itjp.net.br
> > 83 8826 9088 - Oi
> > 83 9334 0266 - Claro
> > Brasil
> >
> > Apóio
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Jesse Noller <[email protected]>
> > Date: 2011/12/13
> > Subject: Re: [PyCon-Organizers] Web2py is Out Pycon2012
> > To: Ovidio Marinho <[email protected]>
> >
> > Cc: [email protected]
> >
> > Ovidio:
> >
> > Just to be clear; web2py is in no way "banned" from PyCon - neither in
> the
> > tutorial or the talk tracks. When tutorials are selected we have to take
> > into account past popularity and performance.
> >
> > PyCon loses money on every attendee - we do this on purpose to keep costs
> > low for attendees as a whole. This is why it's important that when
> > selecting tutorials we keep an eye out for potential losses. If a
> tutorial
> > in the past did not reach a "break even" number of attendees, that fact
> has
> > to be accounted for when selecting tutorials in the future.
> >
> > We also select tutorials based on community feedback - we have data that
> we
> > consult from past conferences as well as surveys we perform to gauge the
> > relative interest the community has in a given subject.
> >
> > Regular track talks are vetted just as hard - competition is tough
> between
> > selected talks, but budget issues do not come into play. Instead, talks
> can
> > focus on the much broader view of the community and all of its groups,
> > tools and aspects.
> >
> > Once again, thank you for the feedback. I hope to see you in Santa Clara
> in
> > March.
> >
> > Jesse Noller
> >
> > On Tuesday, December 13, 2011 at 6:22 AM, Ovidio Marinho wrote:
> >
> > > A great honor to receive your e-mail, with their explanation, and as
> said
> > beforePyCon is the most important event for the Python community. Somehow
> > we cooperate with it or creating something new or reusing things that
> > already exist in the Python world. We are so upset and not understand
> how a
> > tool is featured in ayear for a single performance in 2010, this can be
> > banned from the big event, things evolve and in the case of web2py effort
> > has been an evolution for the better.But I understand the hard work of
> > selection because I'm sure that much good may have been left out even
> > web2py. But I would like presentations on the Agenda ofthe Committee to
> > this reservation of jobs that they could not join the Pycon2012, I hope
> > that the event is more a spectacle to the world of Python.
> >
> > > Ovidio Marinho Falcao Neto
> > > Web Developer
> > > [email protected] (mailto:[email protected])
> > > [email protected] (mailto:[email protected])
> > > ITJP - itjp.net.br (http://itjp.net.br)
> > > 83 8826 9088 - Oi
> > > 83 9334 0266 - Claro
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> >
> > > Apóio
> >
> > > 2011/12/12 Jesse Noller <[email protected] (mailto:[email protected])>
> > > > Hello Mr. Marinho;
> >
> > > > I'm Jesse Noller - chair of the PyCon 2012 and 2013 conferences.
> First,
> > I'd like to thank you for your feedback - the entire team appreciates
> > hearing from the community about the the decisions we make. PyCon is
> first,
> > and foremost a conference community, managed by volunteers and community
> > members.
> >
> > > > As for the matter you mention - the lack of a web2py tutorial this
> year
> > is not a slight against web2py. I understand that it has been gaining
> > popularity, and that it has a vociferous and robust community. In the
> case
> > of PyCon - we did have a web2py tutorial last year (2010) and it was not
> > well attended. That, in and of itself is not a terrible thing - as we
> have
> > all seen web2py grow in the last year.
> >
> > > > However, coupled with the fact we had over 80 tutorials competing for
> > spots on a schedule that only allows us to have a fraction of that number
> > on it meant that competition was tight between the tutorials. The team
> did
> > their best striking a balance between interesting subjects, and subject
> > that are of mass appeal and usefulness for a majority of the tutorial
> > students.
> >
> > > > As you know, tutorials are paid-for by the students - each one costs
> > 150$ to attend - and therefore we aim to target tutorials to the widest
> > parts of the Python community and ecosystem.
> >
> > > > I understand Massimo - and other web2py users are upset: I saw the
> > email sent to the web2py users list by Massimo [1]. Please understand
> that
> > we do our best not to focus on a single framework, or library, but
> rather a
> > wide cross section of the Python community as a whole.
> >
> > > > I encourage you to keep in mind that the main conference talk
> schedule
> > is still pending - this represents some 90+ talks over three days on a
> > large number of topics.
> >
> > > > If you have any questions, feel free to ask.
> >
> > > > Jesse Noller
> > > > Chair, PyCon 2012
> >
> > > > [1]
> http://groups.google.com/group/web2py/browse_thread/thread/eec9815ea0...
> >
> > > > On Monday, December 12, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Ovidio Marinho wrote:
> >
> > > > > Gentlemen,
> > > > > The world list web2py We're wondering why the Framework be out of
> the
> > cycle of tutorials. The web2py framework that has evolved over in 2011(
> http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/bossie-awards-2011-th...),
> > then we would like an explanation as this palusivel eh not good for
> > the
> > Python community.
> >
> > > > > Ovidio Marinho Falcao Neto
> > > > > Web Developer
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> > [email protected])
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