I actually just did this timing comparison at WWDC -- on a MBP, Xcode takes about 1-2 seconds to open a single project and be up-and- running and Eclipse takes about 4-5 seconds to be up-and-running with a SINGLE project in it (these are both "second start" times). The typical usage of Eclipse is kind of different than Xcode, though, so in Eclipse it's common to have a LOT of projects open (and thus startup time suffers as a result) -- for instance, in my workspace, it's not uncommon that I can have upwards of 50 projects open (wolips + wonder + some eclipse plugins + real work stuff + random other stuff). First start time, Eclipse does take a larger hit (but so does Xcode), and there is likely NO way Eclipse will ever be as fast or start as fast as Xcode unless you do something wacky like native compile the jar files.

However, that said, I hear TextEdit opens REALLY fast on files -- Even faster than Xcode! ;)

ms

On Aug 14, 2006, at 2:11 PM, Alan Ward wrote:


I wouldn't describe myself as a "hard core XCode fan"... I simply won't switch to any java IDE that makes me wait 3 minutes at startup before letting me do what I started it to do :-)

Alan

On Aug 14, 2006, at 12:09 PM, Anjo Krank wrote:

Oh yes. The number of hard core XCode fans will certainly stay the same.

Cheers, Anjo

Am 14.08.2006 um 19:28 schrieb Ken Anderson:

I bet not for long!! :)

On Aug 14, 2006, at 12:54 PM, Alan Ward wrote:


On Aug 13, 2006, at 2:57 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:

P.S. One final thought. Given that Apple is deprecating the tools, anyone want to guess how many WO developers at Apple use Xcode for WebObjects? ;-)

I do ;-)

Alan


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