So, are you suggesting we all downgrade to WO 4.5? On 2010-09-10, at 5:43 PM, Ken Foust wrote:
> From the outside looking in: > > It appears to me as thought WO is on the end of life list. As good as it may > be I don't suspect in can survive in the future. > Apple has elected to leave web development to the open-source. I would > suspect they only possible way Apple can compete in the > Enterprise market is to make it proprietary and in ObjC. Short of that you > have too many people working for free on Rails, Grails and all > the open-source programs. > There is no way to get enough new users to come aboard as WO now has poor > documentation and terrible tutorials. > Sorry if I offend anyone but it is what it is. > For you gurus to understand it completely - leaves you in a world of your > own, but selling the concept I believe is difficult and will even get more > difficult. > Hell I think Java is on the way out along with Sun and Oracle. > > Apple has always had the proprietary followers and they could put off a > brilliant app for web development should they choose. In addition their > market share is now large enough to support the idea. > > my two cents > > > On Sep 10, 2010, at 1:02 PM, André Mitra wrote: > >> except Mathematica :) >> >> On 2010-09-10, at 9:26 AM, Amiel Montecillo wrote: >> >>> Mike is scary somtimes .... ;) But I agree with him that there is no 1 tool >>> that does everything. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Amiel >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Mike Schrag <msch...@pobox.com> wrote: >>> Here's my slightly less grumpy response :) >>> >>> Apple, like any smart company, makes technology decisions based on lots of >>> variables -- what technology makes sense? what technology doesn't make >>> sense? what is the expertise of our current staffing? what are the goals >>> for the project? etc ... I love WO, but I'm also the first to admit that WO >>> and EOF aren't the right fit for every problem. There are parts of WOF and >>> EOF that drive me crazy, and there are parts that are amazing. I also don't >>> think that being WO inherently makes you scalable any more than I think >>> being a Rails app makes you inherently unscalable. It's just like the NoSQL >>> vs Relational debate. Are relational databases dead? No. That's just silly. >>> But do NoSQL databases have a place? Absolutely -- they bring value to a >>> certain set of problems that relational doesn't address well. Likewise, >>> Apple has public web properties that are static html, php, struts, jsf, >>> jsp, sproutcore, webobjects, and I'm sure others and there are lots of >>> different reasons in each of those cases why decisions were made one way or >>> another. In any complex system, you're probably going to end up with a mix >>> of technologies. As far as "details," you're just not going to get them >>> because Apple doesn't roll that way. >>> >>> ms >>> >>> On Sep 10, 2010, at 2:54 AM, Mertz Stéphan wrote: >>> >>> > Hi, >>> > >>> > The new 'the Sales and Trend reporting module' of iTunes Connect is >>> > develop with JSF instead of WebObjects. >>> > Does Apple stop to use WebObjects for its internal tools? >>> > >>> > Does someone know what is powering the new Ping social network ? >>> > >>> > Regards, >>> > >>> > Stéphan _______________________________________________ >>> > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/mschrag%40pobox.com >>> > >>> > This email sent to msch...@pobox.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/bosyotech%40gmail.com >>> >>> This email sent to bosyot...@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> socket error: unable to connect to 127.0.0.1 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/andre%40geometria.net >>> >>> This email sent to an...@geometria.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/fousto%40me.com >> >> This email sent to fou...@me.com > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/andre%40geometria.net > > This email sent to an...@geometria.net
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