Le 2010-11-11 à 06:14, Farrukh Ijaz a écrit :

> On 2010-11-11, at 1:46 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Le 2010-11-11 à 04:15, Anjo Krank a écrit :
>> 
>>> And the ORM can't cache relationships and doesn't have an EC? Great... 
>>> 
>>> I was the google developer day the other day and they presented SpringRoo. 
>>> Most of the people there thought it was the coolest thing things sliced 
>>> bread... little do they know.
>> 
>> That's the sad story about WO. I went to the Alfresco DevCon last week, and 
>> every time I said "WebObjects" to someone, only one know what it is (he was 
>> using WO 3.5 back in the days).  I talked to Alex Williams from ReadWriteWeb 
>> and it's one of the guys who didn't know what is WO (and the whole Apple JVM 
>> deprecation thing).
> 
> I think one of the reasons was to Patent EOF. There is an open source 
> initiative know as Apache Cayenne. Besides this, other technologies (most of 
> them I guess) has some support from Oracle and Oracle (Sun Microsystems), IBM 
> and most importantly JSR Groups.
> My personal opinion is WO, Wonder is one of the best, unique frameworks that 
> do not have any competitor out there, but they are gradually being left as 
> Orphans (especially after Apple's declaration to deprecate Java, which means 
> to me the Java version of WO is also deprecated, means Wonder is deprecated 
> too).

Well, I didn't see any job postings on Apple site seeking Objective-C people to 
rewrite WO in Objective-C. Like I said to the ReadWriteWeb guy, Apple 
themselves needs a JVM for all their WO apps + a couple of J2EE ones (iTunes 
Connect is an example), so either Apple have their own internal JVM or they 
will use OpenJDK.

> I think, the best way would seek Oracle to adopt WO and Wonder. This will 
> give two benefits. Since the technology is proven. There are chances, Oracle 
> will empower existing team and invest resources to port the WO + Wonder API 
> and Development Environment to other platforms including the Rule Engine and 
> do the best to make it integral part of other J2EE Application Servers.

Yeah, but Apple rarely give/sell their technologies to other people... In fact, 
I don't remember Apple selling any of their stuff to other providers in the 
last 10 years. 

> God Knows! 
> 
>> 
>> FYI, Alfresco also use a Spring framework, Sprint Surf. I saw a bit of it at 
>> the conference. Looks ok, but it seems to use a hell lot of description 
>> (XML) files.
> 
> The do have annotations as well but XML is for people who still are in love 
> with XML. Looks like an influential HTML author was part of the steering 
> committee.
> 
> Farrukh
> 

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