Robert -
 
I think I need to question one of your assumptions, and your approach to this kind of problem. 
 
#1 the assumption that:  <the individual has lost the right to privacy once they break the law> is not correct, and is in fact dangerously incorrect.
 
HIPAA does not state that principle anywhere. It does list a number of conditions under which PHI may be disclosed: for TPO, under an authorization, and under the conditions listed in 45 CFR 164.512 (uses and disclosures not for TPO for which no authorization is required). If you read that regulation you will see that subsection (a) does permit a disclosure required by law, while subsection (f) sets out the specific requirements for disclosures for law enforcement purposes. (The other exceptions in this regulation don't appear likely ever to apply to this kind of situation). If there is a law on the books requiring disclosure of drug-seeking behavior, exception (a) would apply; but I am not aware of any such laws (doesn't mean there aren't any, I just don't know of any).
 
This is a very different approach to privacy from the assumption that "if you break the law you lose your privacy." While the U.S. Constitution does not explicitly state a privacy right (there are theories that it does so implicitly, but that's another set of questions), HIPAA does create a statutory/regulatory set of privacy obligations on the part of CEs and entitlements on the part of individuals. I frankly don't think that a pharmacist's judgment that he thinks someone has broken the law by improperly seeking drugs (by the way, *is* drug-seeking behavior a crime? or just a basis for suspicion of a crime? or are we using an alert of this kind to prevent health problems and over-prescription?) will suffice to eliminate this entitlement (as a matter of law) or relieve the pharmacist, as a CE, of his or her obligation to respect these privacy entitlements by complying with the regulations. (By the way, what if he's wrong? In addition to breach of privacy there might well be a suit for libel available.)
 
This is not to say something can't be done to communicate about this kind of problem - we have discussed it quite a bit and there have been a number of good postings on the subject - but the way to approach a solution it is to start with the regulations and read them carefully. (Also any applicable business associate contracts; for example, in your example of the PBM, has the PBM checked to make sure any BAC it has with a CE that provided some of the PHI which describes the prescriptions written permits that kind of disclosure? There are some badly drafted documents out there, not all of which might allow for everything you would like to assume they do.)
 
The underlying point being that with HIPAA coming into effect decisions like these have to be made in a more formal way, with actual reference to regs and contracts and not in reliance on what you assume should be the right result.
 
John R. Christiansen
Preston | Gates | Ellis LLP
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Yes and no. First, they are breaking the law when they doctor-shop for
narcotics. Secondly, who is responsible for report this to law enforcement?
The question comes up, how did you know the individual went to different
pharmacies? were you told by the same chain of pharmacies? Usually it will be
tracked by the PBM when multiple pharmacies are being used. That's why our
organization wants to control narcotics OTC. Oxeycontin is usually a long
term medication for severe pain and should be provided mail (where there are
systems in place to catch this kind of misuse). It is a red flag when
narcotics are being prescribe OTC.  With regard to what should happen; the
PBM should write letters to all physicians that prescribe this narcotic to
the individual in question, making them aware of the manufacturers protocol
and the total number of pills being prescribed -- this is done as a matter of
post utilization review for OTC drugs.
The question is who has the responsibility to report this to the authorities?
I believe under your scenario, the individual has lost the right to privacy
once they break the law.
Please correct me if I am wrong in my assumptions.
Thanks, Robert

Robert Blinch-Edwards
Executive Director
Healthcare Sarasota, Inc.
1991 Main Street, Suite 148
Sarasota, FL 34236
Tel: 941-917-7995
Fax: 941-917-1930
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Web: www.hcsrq.com

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Today, a clinic that I work with received a letter from a local pharmacy
about a patient that was a "Drug Seeker" as we call them.  Over the
course of 30 days he had been to several doctors and several pharmacies
and received over 350 total pills all a controlled substance.

What happens to the pharmacy's ability to do these types of things
under Privacy? 

Clearly, pharmacist were communicated information back and forth to
each other and to physicians on this person.  They even sent letters to
all physicians in the area.

Problem? yes or no

Rebekah Savoie, CCS-P
Healthcare Consultant

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