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Paul et al,
I remember that Medicare had an "official" list associated
with the NSF specs that included 'FC' for Foreign Country as a State
Code.
I'm not sure if USPS ever made this official, but if so,
it could work.
If not, since this is an external list without the change
timing constraints of lists in the spec itself, could someone pressure USPS to
add it (or something similar) quickly? USPS could also include the various
postal codes of the various other countries by reference in its ZIP code list
(with a value to use for those conutries that don't have such a
code).
The opinions expressed here are my own and not necessarily the opinion of
LCMH.
Douglas M. Webb Computer System Engineer Little Company of Mary
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 04:11
PM
Subject: RE: State Code Required -- What
do you do with foreign countries
Relative to identifying Canada, please refer to the industry
note on N404 Country Code on page 69 of the implementation guide which reads:
"Required only if country is not USA". Therefore to identify Canada, you would
use the appropriate ISO-3166 value for that country.
While the external
code list for N402 (state/province code) does refer to the USPS designators,
the reference to the code source 22 in Appendix C of the implementation guide
specifically includes values for the provinces and territories of Canada.
However, and here's yet another issue for consideration, these values do not
include the code for Nunavut as this territory did not exist when the 4010
standards were published. Those in the know might also realize that the values
in the X12 standard for Canadian provincial/territorial abbreviations do not
fully match the values currently specified by the Canadian postal
service.
One more thing about states/provinces coding...many countries
(Mexico immediately comes to mind) have postal geographic first level (state)
abbreviations that are longer than the two characters available in data
element 156.
Also consider that N403 (Postal Code) is a required field
in the guide and that the external code source 51 linked to this element is
the USPS ZIP code directory. Hmmm...seems to me we can't put a foreign postal
code in here if we are also insisting that the only thing we can put in N402
are the values in code source 22.
As far as reporting the state code
issue for foreign countries to X12, I do not recall this ever being brought
forward to the 834 workgroup nor do I see a current (or historical) DSMO
request for this issue to be addressed as part of the 834 transaction. However
I will bring it up at the June trimester meeting of our 834
workgroup.
Paul Weber
916-449-6970
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Original Message -----
From: "Helene Guilfoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:
Tue, 25 Mar 2003 15:33:04 -0500
To: "WEDI SNIP Transactions Workgroup List"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject:
RE: State Code Required -- What do you do with foreign countries
>
Good question but one that does not seem to be answer-able! To make
the
> problem more evident - there are 16 states that have a Paris
address. God
> forbid that you should inadvertently select one of
those states as your
> 'required' state code. Then it could get
really problematic! To make
> matters even worse, the requirement
for a state code requires the use of the
> USPS State Codes so we can't
even use a 'not otherwise defined' code.
>
> This was pointed out
to X12 before the final addenda was published. I'm
> told that we
must wait until 4050 (and all of the NPRM, Final Rule
> publishing)
before this will be resolved. At that time the IG will be
>
changed to make the State Code situational based on the comment for
N402
> that says it is only required if the city name (N401) is in the
US or
> Canada. But then that makes the Country Code problematic
since it is only
> required when the address is outside of the US or
Canada. So how do we
> identify Canada? Hope there is not a
Paris, Canada!
>
> /Helene
>
> Helene
Guilfoy
> Guilfoy Consulting, LLC
> mobile: 717-468-8085
>
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:52
PM
> To: WEDI SNIP Transactions Workgroup List
> Subject: RE:
State Code Required -- What do you do with foreign countries
>
>
OK,
>
> Let me re-ask Peggy's question.
>
> Is there
an industry work around for and unvalued state code when the
> address
is foreign?
>
> For example, if the address is in Dresden
Germany how would the state code
> be valued?
>
>
Thanks!
>
> Tami Leaver
> Sr. Application Analyst
>
PA/PM Team
> Medstar Health Information Systems
>
410-933-6905
>
>
>
>
"Bass, David (DHS-PSD)"
>
>
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To: "WEDI SNIP
> Translations Subworkgroup
List"
>
t.mhg.edu>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
cc:
>
>
03/24/03 01:43
PM
Subject: RE: State
> Code Required -- What do
you do with foreign
countries
>
Please respond to "Bass,
>
>
David (DHS-PSD)"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> That comment is taken from the
standard. It was not created for the
> implementation guide. In the
standard, N402 is optional, hence the comment.
> The IG requires it
regardless.
>
> ________________________________
> "And the
saga continues..."
>
> David Bass
> DHS, Office of HIPAA
Compliance
> Phone: (916) 255-5282
> Fax: (916) 255-5271
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Weber
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 9:49
AM
> To: WEDI SNIP Translations Subworkgroup List
> Subject: RE:
State Code Required -- What do you do with foreign
> countries
>
>
> The N4 segment (Member Residence City, State, ZIP Code) in
Loop 2100A of
> the
> 834 has a specific comment on element N402
(State or Province Code) that
> reads "N402 is required only if city
name (N401) is in the U.S. or Canada."
>
> I'll leave it to
others to debate whether the comment overrides the USAGE
> REQUIRED
statement of the implementation guide for this element.
>
>
Sincerely,
> Paul Weber
> 916-449-6970
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peggy Honts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 19:14:10 -0500
> To: "WEDI SNIP Translations
Subworkgroup List"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
Subject: RE: State Code Required -- What do you do with foreign
countries
>
> > Thank you Chris for forwarding my
question. Even if they are not a
> covered entity -- they believe
and I agree when they use the transaction it
> should be
compliant. Also, if a covered entity receives a non-compliant
>
transaction -- they would not be able to use their compliance
checkers.
> >
> >
> >
> > Peggy Honts,
Vice President
> > HIPAA, Architecture & Data Services
>
> AXIOM Systems, Inc.
> > 20300 Century Blvd., Suite 120
>
> Germantown, MD 20874
> > Direct 301-840-9165 X212
> >
Cell 301-518-9930
> > e-Fax 928-752-1441
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
Christopher Feahr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday,
March 20, 2003 6:56 PM
> > To: Peggy Honts; WEDI SNIP Translations
Subworkgroup List
> > Cc: William J. Kammerer
> > Subject:
Re: State Code Required -- What do you do with foreign
> >
countries
> >
> >
> > Hello Peggy,
> > I
see very little traffic on this listserve (in fact, I forgot I was
even
> > subscribed to it!).
> >
> > I'm copying
William Kammerer because he is quite knowledgeable about
> these
>
> sorts of things. You may also wish to post your question to
the
> > "transactions" listserve. Since the entity sending you
the 834 will
> likely
> > not be a covered entity, you could
leave it empty for subscribers located
> > outside the USA.
(I'd be inclined to use whatever worked in a case like
> >
this!)
> >
> > Regards,
> > -Chris
>
>
> > Christopher J. Feahr
> > Optiserv Consulting
(Vision Industry)
> > Office (707) 579-4984
> > Cell (707)
529-2268
> > http://Optiserv.com
> > http://VisionDataStandard.org
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peggy Honts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> To: "WEDI SNIP Translations Subworkgroup List"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 2:48 PM
> > Subject: State Code
Required -- What do you do with foreign countries
> >
>
>
> > What do you do when building transactions (834) for
subscribers that are
> > located in a foreign country. The
implementation guide and the
> compliance
> > checkers all
require a State Code. There is no State code. Has anyone
>
> found a solution or work around for this requirement.
>
>
> > Peggy Honts, Vice President
> > HIPAA, Architecture
& Data Services
> > AXIOM Systems, Inc.
> > 20300
Century Blvd., Suite 120
> > Germantown, MD 20874
> > Direct
301-840-9165 X212
> > Cell 301-518-9930
> > e-Fax
928-752-1441
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
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