I will add another wikipedia entry for the same: *Catalan:*
http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/RACV La *Real Acadèmia de Cultura Valenciana* (anomenada Centre de Cultura Valenciana fins al 1978 <http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978>) és una associació fundada el 1915 <http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/1915> per tal de treballar per la llengua i la cultura valencianes. Des de les acaballes del franquisme<http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franquisme>ha proposat diverses ortografies i gramàtiques secessionistes <http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaverisme> sobre el valencià<http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valenci%C3%A0>. Recentment (juliol 2003 <http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003>) ha reformat les Normes del Puig <http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normes_del_Puig> (que la mateixa entitat proposà fa pocs anys), afegint-hi accents, amb unes regles molt paregudes a les Normes de Castelló<http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normes_de_Castell%C3%B3>. Açò ha creat confusió entre el blaverisme<http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaverisme>, ja que alguns són partidaris de les antigues i d'altres de les noves. Malgrat que la llei de creació de l'Acadèmia Valenciana de la Llengua<http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acad%C3%A8mia_Valenciana_de_la_Llengua>(AVL) obliga que totes les administracions han de seguir les normes de l'AVL, l'RACV rep subvencions de diverses institucions públiques[1]<http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/RACV#cite_note-0>, tot i que segueix unes normes diferents. *English translated: *(sorry for the mistakes) The RACV (named Cultural Valencian Center until 1978) is an association founded in 1915 to work for the valencian language and culture. Begining in the end of franco era, it has proposed some ortographic rules and gramatical rules *"secessionist"* about valencian. Recently *(july 2003) * has reworked "Rules of Puig" (that the same entity proposed little years before), adding accents, with a rules similar to those of Castelló. This has created confusion between people who claim for a Valencian language, because some are friends of newer rules and some are friends of the older rules. Despite of the law in the creation of the Valencian Academy of the Language (AVL) force to all administrations to follow the rules of AVL, RACV receive subvencions from different public institutions, despite they follow a different rules. --------------------- As you see, the law says clearly that AVL is the official Valencian rules. Not RACV. And this article says clairly the word "secessionist" to RACV people. As you see, the rules proposed are as old as year 2003..... catalan language (same as valencian) is as old as one thousand years or more.... not only 5 years old. nothing else to say. 2008/10/15 Mario Rodrÿffffedguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To Robert: To avoid that you will do a change without consensus and without > saying me nothing again I try to be informed as I can... > > One thing, local government recognize the language encoded by RACV as > Valencian, > This "recognize" is ambigous. Please explain where and how? > > Again: Local government subsidizes RACV (AVL too), it means that RACV > receive money from local government, the proofs? I said you the Valencian > orthographic corrector from RACV: http://www.llenguavalenciana.com/ you > can see in the upper part of the web: "Corrector ortogràfic de valencià" > (Orthographic corrector of Valencian) and in the down part of the web > "Colabora: Generalitat Valenciana" (Collaborate: Valencian government), are > you already convinced? Furthermore the writters in Valencian (RACV) receive > official = public prizes too... If you give me some time I reply you with > poetries in Valencian (RACV) which won some official literary prize > > Valencian (RACV) was the first official Valencian orthography > when began the Spanish democracy > A pretty bold statement. Do you have any reference to prove it? > > Spanish Wikipedia: > *Spanish*: La Real Academia de Cultura Valenciana es una fundación pública > de la Comunidad Valenciana (España) creada bajo el patrocinio la Diputación > Provincial de Valencia.[1] Su origen se remonta al año 1915, cuando se creó > la entidad Centre de Cultura Valenciana para el estudio de la lengua y > cultura valencianas. Desde 1986 es una academia asociada del Instituto de > España.Se financia a través de subvenciones de instituciones públicas > valencianas, como el Ayuntamiento de Valencia, la Diputación Provincial de > Valencia y la Consejería de Cultura de la Generalidad Valenciana > *English*: The Royal Academy of Valencian Culture is a public foundation > of Valencian Comunity (Spain) created under the sponsorship of County > Council of Valencia. His origin is in the year 1915, when it was created the > entity "Centre de Cultura Valenciana" (Center of Valencian Culture) to the > study of the Valencian language and culture. Since 1986 is an associated > academy of "Institute of Spain".It's financed across subsidies of Valencian > public institutions like City Council of Valencia, County Council of > Valencia and the Council of Culture of Valencian Government > ... > *Spanish:* Estas normas llegarían ser usadas en algunos documentos y > entornos oficiales. Así, fue publicado al año siguiente el Estatuto de > Autonomía en valenciano en el Diario Oficial de la Generalidad Valenciana en > dichas normas, fueron usadas por la propia Consellería de Cultura de la > Generalidad Valenciana para la enseñanza del valenciano y en distintos > organismos autonómicos y nacionales > *English:* > This rules was used in some official documents and enviroments. Then, it > was publicated the following year the Autonomy Statute in Valencian in the > Official Diary of Valencian Government in that rules, it was used by The > Council of Culture of Valencian Government for the education in Valencian > and in different autonomous and nationals organisms > (although this orthography existed before this epoch) > When is "before this epoch"? > > Before the beginning of the Spanish democracy... Classical Valencian is > very similar to Valencian (RACV) and to the current spoken Valencian, if you > say no, definitely you are not telling the truth. This orthography began > with other writters and philologists. > > I think the name Valencian (RACV) is very clear, your other name is a > non-sense name in order to follow your ideologies, and sorry, your > ideologies isn't official in Valencian Comunity > > pro-Catalan people who want spoil my translation... > Sigh. Here's the strawman again... > > - Are you denying it? Then, why are you proposing a non-sense name if you > know what it's Valencian?Why are you in the credits of my translation? I > think you try to subsitute my translations to catalan translations. Proofs, > see the registers of translations: > > http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/branches/1.4/po/wesnoth-did/ca_ES%40valencia.po?rev=25949&view=markupI > In the firsts lines you can see: "Last-Translator: Robert Millan < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>\n" > Another example: > http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/branches/1.4/po/wesnoth-l/ca_ES%40valencia.po?rev=26351&view=markup: > > "Last-Translator: Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>\n" > "Language-Team: Català <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>\n" > > Your language team is Catalan? I think you had a mistake (there are > more)... I said before that Valencian laws said clearly that Valencian have > the same hierarchy than Catalan, officially it's another standard... I think > you are not acting clearly... I think you only want to coordinate the > translation that I began and to transform my translation into a photocopy of > Catalan translation > > If somebody has another better name than "Valencian (RACV)" please say it, > but if not, proceed with the change. The parenthesis (RACV) is to show the > academy that I follow (to make distinction to the other academy), if > somebody have a better idea, say it, if not, don't disturb > ** > *And remind the Firefox project recognize a Valencian dictionary and pack > of language (as I shown in previous emails) following RACV* > AND REMIND, EVERYBODY MUST RESPECT THE FREEDOM OF THINKING, EXPRESSION AND > TRANSLATION... > > Coordinator of Valencian (RACV) translation > Mario (Mavorte) > > PS: One definition of AVL (in "Salt", official translator program made by > local government): Valencià: 3. m. LING. Idioma oficial de la Comunitat > Valenciana, junt amb el castellà, segons l'Estatut d'Autonomia de la > Comunitat Valenciana. > *English*: Valencian: 3. m. LING. Official language of Valencian Comunity, > with Castilian (Spanish), according to Statute of Autonomy of Valencian > Comunity. > > > _______________________________________________ > Wesnoth-dev mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/wesnoth-dev > >
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