Dear Ismail et al., Thanks for bringing to the fore this important subject to the forum. I have finally started receiving postings from the WNF (thanks for this Kiggs). I hope I am not repeating what has already been said. A colleague at my university last year drew my attention to this book by Wolf Geisler and another satirical piece by the fiction write John Le Carré (titled The Constant Gardener) in which the latter exposed Western based pharmaceutical companies in their unethical experimentation (or is it 'acts of charity' where new drugs are trialed on human subjects in Sub- Saharan Africa - in this book, Kibera Slums in Nairobi). While largely fictitious, many who have read this book (I suggest you try reading it) have reason to believe there are striking parallels with real life examples of drug trials in Sub- Saharan Africa and else where. I have tried in vain to trace the Wolf Geisler book on AIDS and surprisingly, I could not even find it on Amazon, perhaps the largest online bookshop in the world. I have however read the Constant Gardener and watched the movie as well; I say it is worth reading. The subject of HIV- AIDS has evidently caused a lot of health, socio-economic and emotional damage to our country and region and the idea that there may be alternative information about causes and spread of this dreadful disease cannot be taken lightly. I have also come across some works that link HIV-AIDS prevalence in Africa in particular with vaccines, (the polio vaccine as an exemplar), something I grew up hearing from my father who generally discouraged us from getting vaccines in the ‘70s and ‘80s. My father had been a student of a certain Prof. JB Jelliff, a pediatrician (I think and perhaps his favourite teacher!) in the early 1960s (at Masaka Medical Assistants Training School), where he picked what I would describe as some cautionary tales from this (American) professor about the dangers of medication to humans in general and vaccines for children in particular, even more so where the constituent elements within the vaccine have not been studied thoroughly. Fast forward to 2009, I came across a documentary on 'the origins of aids' (accessible from here: http://freedocumentaries.org/teatro.php?filmID=123&lan=undefined&size=undefined) that I watched and duly discussed with the old man during his short visit here in London). It was and is still puzzling to see what may have been a working hypothesis for some professor in the 1960s perhaps underpinning some of the unprecedented sufferings we endure today from HIV-AIDS. While I am aware that the evidence is inconclusive, I do believe good science does not or should not rule out alternative hypotheses if its current methods and knowledge base are unable to solve a given problem. I hope someone like Dr William Worodria (and others I am not aware of) will be better placed to investigate some of these issues in the course of their doctoral research sojourn or as a postdoctoral research agenda. I suppose we are faced with three main issues when dealing with experiments on human subjects and potential consequences in the future. First, our brothers and sisters in the medical profession need to be able to undertake research on such issues so that the fight back or any form of advocacy against experimentation will be based on scientific facts they themselves would have contributed to (I am sure one or more of our sons/daughters are already doing that but critical mass is required in this area). Secondly and closely linked with the first issue is a widespread awareness of bioethical issues and the need for very strict ethical clearance before any trials are undertaken, something that is implemented quite rigorously in developed countries. However in the face of weak socio-economic stature and increasingly high moral decay where we indulge more in satisfying out stomachs and less on the general good for society, any strict policies on bioethics may still be good on paper but not implemented in practice. This is where the third issue comes to mind, a civil society group that is well versed with the scientific facts and the policy framework within which bioethical issues operate in the country such that they can act as the vanguard of society with respect to unethical experiments on the masses. These are things that the WNF fraternity can in the future, take up directly or through some of the professionals on the forum who are better able to articulate these issues on behalf of the people. I have pasted below, some links from where I found some intriguing but non mainstream information about HIV-AIDS for those who have the time to read further. Free Documentary about the 'secret origins of aids' http://freedocumentaries.org/film.php?id=123 The Secret Origins of AIDS: Facts, Fallacies & Conspiracy Theories http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/Article/The_Secret_Origins_of_AIDS.html A multibillion $ Quiz: Is AIDS a viral or a chemical epidemic? http://www.duesberg.com/presentations/$bnAIDSQuiz.pdf Human Immunodeficiency virus and acquired immunodeficiency syndrome: Correlation but not causation http://www.duesberg.com/about/pdpnas89.html Questioning HIV/AIDS: Morally Reprehensible or Scientifically Warranted?: http://www.duesberg.com/articles/new/2007,%20Bauer,%20JAPSfinal.pdf Kind regards, Maureen
--- On Wed, 24/11/10, banduga ismail <bani...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: banduga ismail <bani...@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda To: "A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile" <westnilenet@kym.net> Date: Wednesday, 24 November, 2010, 9:05 Kefa, Gilbert, Aldo and members, I have just searched on the internet and gotten the information that this book is available in English and German on sale in Uganda, Kenya and Zambia. Unfortunately I have no specific information which bookshops in Uganda have copies on their shelves. Perhaps by asking on the counter in aristoc or other bookshops, we may get some answers. The copy I laid my hands on is a very old one (with some pages missing) that I got from someone in Arua. I had to make a photocopy of that for myself. As Worodria noted, evidence is systematically destroyed to cover up some of these covert acts. There are some criticisims you will find to Dr. Wollfs' book on the internet (Google - Aids, origin, spread, healing). This is expected of such a sensitive issue. To me what is striking is the references he has made to West Nile in particular - the initial establishment of Kuluva hospital, the building of the airfield. Ismail ------------------------------------------------ From: atibuni kefa <atibu...@yahoo.com> To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <westnilenet@kym.net> Sent: Wed, 24 November, 2010 10:43:47 Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda Ismail, Is it easy to get a copy of this book anywhere in the Ugandan book shelves? Would be glad to get it. Kefa Atibuni 0774133724 --- On Tue, 11/23/10, Vasco Oguzua <vogu...@gmail.com> wrote: From: Vasco Oguzua <vogu...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Mass experiements in Uganda - Testing diseases in West Nile district in Uganda To: "A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile" <westnilenet@kym.net> Date: Tuesday, November 23, 2010, 8:17 AM Ismail, This compelling issue you have posted has a lot of twists and cover-ups. You will realize that while the United States in the late 1970 was the the country with highest population with aid- especially around gay community in San Fransisco area of California, hardly was it less than 10 years .....all of a sudden Africa became the continent with the most infected population. In Uganda if you trace the route of HIV/AIDs, it followed the path of the Wakombozi as the 1979 war that removed Amin. I would think that this problem on the other side presents an opportunity for an investigative journalism, especially for some of our journalists. I do not know and understand the intricate underpinnings of investigative journalism but I think such are the stories investigative journalists can at least scrape some bottom line of the story out of which a documentary can be produced....any of the many journalists from our area who is up to such a challenge could look into this topic. Vasco Oguzua On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 6:24 AM, banduga ismail <bani...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Dear All, As we tend towards the end of the year and partake in get together and christmas parties, I would like to share the subject with all of you. I pray that it does not spoil the parties we have in plan. I hope I don't look like a prophet of doom. I am reading a book (the shortened version) titled AIDS: Origin, Spread and Healing by Wolf Geisler, a German Doctor and I have found socking revelations. Many members of this forum probably have read this book already. The forward of this book was written by Ricardo Veronesi, a professor emiritus, faculty of medicine, University of Sao Paulo and hononary president of Brazilian Society for infectious diseases and W.H.O consultant of bacterial diseases. In the summary page of this book, the following are stated among others: "97% of the persons who have HIV in their bodies, were purposely infected with this virus, which can lead to AIDS. They were made artificially susceptible for this by using controllable diseases. HIV was supplied to them in vaccines, drugs, blood transfusions and food, by HIV containing microbes in drinking water and water used in swimming pools, by insects and spraying". "The agents causing the AIDS diseases were mainly reasearched in military service and maily tested in Uganda and Zaire. Reasearch is done under camouflage titles." "The majority of people affected by AIDS/HIV are dark-skinned people in some states in Africa, in the USA and Caribbean, as well as homosexual men and persons using crack or heroin in some industrialised states." On page 164, the author states: "In many regions of the world, humans have been used as test persons and also targets for biological weapons, e.g in Colombia, Ghana, Venezuela, ...... and particularly great numbers were used in bandundu(Zaire) and in the West Nile district of Uganda. The majority of experiments were carried out in Uganda - even out side West Nile region". The author further states: In Uganda, a natural experiment has occurred..... The elucidation of this distribution (Kaposi's sarcoma) presents an opportunity to discover the cause and nature of this puzzling disease. Uganda is particularly well suited to the study of environmental factors in human disease. Uganda........ might have been designed as a huge natural experiment. Uganda's AIDS epidemic........seems to have started a bit earlier - Uganda is the bellwether for Africa - a case study of the future. On the same page, the first description of the persons in Uganda in 1901 by a British physician, Cook, was:"The natives themselves are very intelligent, clean and spendidly developed physically. Malignant diseases are however not neraly as frequent as they are at home (Great Britain) and appear to run a slower course." Dr. Wolf further explains that; - In 1936, the yellow fever research institute was founded in Entebbe, an institution set by the British government and rockerfeller foundation. - In 1938, a mountain road was built from Fort Portal in Bwamba region, which was the most isolated county in Uganda and in 1942, the rockefeller institute was then active there. - In 1939 - the Arua airport was constructed in West Nile without any recognisable reason. The reason given was the beef in Arua to be specially good tasting and was therefore to be flown to Kampala, 800 km away. - In 1940 - the West Nile Virus was demonstrated - In 1941 - the Bwamba fever virus - In i944 - the semilik forest virus in Bwamba - In 1946 - the Bunyamvera virus and Mengo encephalitis virus. Where Cook had found comparatively few diseases in 1901 in the densely populated, highly agriculturally cultivated country, now world wide unique clusters of rare diseases and agents are found. On page 165, the author states: In Uganda, people from the West Nile district in particular were used as experimental and test objects for biological weapons. the region is intensely cultivated for agricultural purposes. There are 250 people per square mile in the Lugbara Plateau for example. The inhabitants' freedom of movement is limited an can easily be controlled by the state boundaries with Sudan in the north and zaire (now DRC) in the south, lake Albert (the Mobutu sese seko) in the south and Albert Nile. In 1969, 600,000 inhabitants lived there. It was therefore easy for the observers to monitor the spread of diseases. According to the author, the following quotation from scientific articles point to this fact: "In Uganda there exists a natural experiement as, within small distances, people of different ethnic stock live in similar environments and vice versa. This was how the scientists characterised the conditions for their experiments in West Nile district. The results of their efforts: - In 1973, 66% of the children of one study, which included 46,000 children mainly from three regions around Kuluva, were infected with HI virus, - Only there - prior to the onset of the mass AIDS disease - were temporal and local clusters of Kaposi's sarcoma; these were so marked that they proved an infectious cause, - Only there were temporal and local clusters of Burkitt's lymophomas in children - also proof of an infectious disease, - The highest rate of antibodies against Epstein -Bar virus in the world came up over there. ENV "type B" is only found besides in New Guinea, in the West Nile district and on the isle of Reunion, - The largest incidences in the world of Schistosoma mansoni-infections have been there. It was limited to the area around the village of Pakwach on the Nile and allegedly remained inexplicable. On page 166, the author states: In 1941 the US American E.H Williams was commissioned by the Protectant African Inland Mission, which received financial assistance from agencies in USA to build a mission hospital in the district administration centre of Arua. The USA physicians offered as a speciality cancer treatment. This investment was made in anticipation of the diseases which were to strike the area at a later date. In 1951, the hospital was moved away from the town into the open country to Kuluva, six mile south of Arua. In the same year, the US Americans established a recording system extraordinary for a district hospital. All patients' data were recorded in a catalogue form. What was the real issue here was data on the diseases and not on the patients. Members, this is a long and perhaps boring piece. What do you make of this? As citizens of West Nile, does it worry us today, that we have been used as test objects without our knowledge? It worries me as person and that is why I am sharing this piece on the net. Its not exhaustive, I just picked some few highlights. The book is of 288 pages. Lets discuss this and see if there is anything we can do, public interest issue from legal point of view, or a political issue. _______________________________________________ WestNileNet mailing list WestNileNet@kym.net http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). 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