Ezaga, can we meet at Bernard's place for Mbuzi? I know its 9am.....................................
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of kikonyogo kivumbi Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 8:55 AM To: anguzu yumaa; A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] SCIENCE CAFE --- CHRISTINE MUNDURU Thanks Anguzu. As a journalist i would die for freedom of expression and thought. However when such thoughts manifest into idle talk on an innocent Christine making a contribution to VULNERABLE people's welfare, i would be restless. It is true that some vaccines, especially those that need refrigeration when not handled in their right temperatures may have side effects. But rather than wrongly critising Christine, i THINK the gentleman should buy my thought that we need regime change ( with all options open) because Museveni has run down the entire health infrastructure in this country. All the regional referral hospitals were built by Obote, with cold facilities. Christine is not the one who has run down this infrastructure kikonyogo On 4/22/12, anguzu yumaa <[email protected]> wrote: > Following the discussions that have been going on in this forum on the > issue of vaccination, I am tempted to add my voice in support of some > of the comments by George Afi Obitre Gama, Uncle Nyax and Kivumbi KIkonyogo. > And owing to the fact that the submission by Akua Serwaa and a > re-joinder by Pario Anguyo looks like an anti-immunisation or anti > vaccination crusade I feel that an alternative view needs to be > advanced, lest we get terribly misled. > > Freedom > of thought and speech > They certainly have their freedom to thought, expression and speech. I > am an ardent supporter of freedom of speech and thought. I believe > that thought should not be imprisoned in any way. I also believe that > free thought should be freely communicated so as to become a fuel for > scientific and also political, social and economic advancement of > communities such as ours. While this should be the case, I think that > we should not attempt to force our views on others by intimidation, > coercion and so forth, through personal attacks on individual members. > > Personal > attacks > The personal attack on Christine was therefore unwarranted, to say the > least. In the first place, what is paining comrades Akua and Pario is > the issue of immunisation/ vaccination. Christine represents Science > Cafe Uganda, which in my opinion is not an agency for promotion of > immunisation/ vaccination as such. Neither does the organisation > produce vaccines or sponsor their production. I see Science Cafe as an > organisation formed for bridging the information gap that is necessary > for pulling our people out of the traps of poverty, disease and > ignorance. (Uncle Nyax could not have stated it any better). Judging > by the overwhelming demand from the people on the ground here in Arua > to have this initiative extended to their localities, one can conclude > that it is achieving its objectives. This I am glad is already being > noted by other external development partners/ donors. I would rather > therefore advise that instead of "throwing spanners in the wheels" of > this visibly useful initiative, we should do our best to promote it. > Coming to the subject matter of immunisations/ vaccinations, as a > public health professional, I welcome debates and exchange of views on > unclear health related issues. > I could write a long essay on this topic, but I will try only to cover > the basics which I believe should be able to clear the air. > > First > what is vaccination? > Vaccination is the administration of antigenic material (a vaccine) to > stimulate the immune system of an individual to develop adaptive > immunity to a disease (Wikipedia, April 2012). I have deliberately > quoted from the Wikipedia, which is a free source as opposed to WHO > which some one termed as "World Hells Organisation" > > Vaccines are composed of: weakened or altered germs, inactivated or > killed germs, inactivated toxins or segments of germs. It should be > noted that these materials that can no longer cause disease. On > getting into the body, the body perceives them as evidence of enemies > approaching therefore releases antibodies (soldiers) to kind of patrol > the whole body and kill any actual enemy that may succeed to enter. > The only difference here is that for the body, specific "soldiers" are > released for specific "enemies". Eg, anti-polio soldiers can only kill > polio "enemies". > > History > of Vaccination > Use of vaccines started as early as 100CE by the Chinese. Later it was > reported to have been practiced in Africa and Turkey before spreading > to Europe and the Americas (www.historyofvaccines.org, April 2012) > Rigorous control of vaccines development Systems for developing and > testing vaccines emerged after the 19th century, when many vaccines > began to be used. The current system for developing, testing, and > regulating vaccines developed during the 20th century as the groups > involved standardized their procedures and regulations. > Vaccine > development is a long, complex process, often lasting 10-15 years and > involving a combination of public and private organisations which > provide oversight. > The current system for > developing, testing, and regulating vaccines developed during the 20th > century as the groups involved standardized their procedures and > regulations. > Government > Oversight > In the United States, the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research > oversees vaccine safety and regulates vaccines development In the > European Union, the European Medicines Agency supervises regulation of > vaccines and other drugs. > A > committee of the World Health Organization makes recommendations for > biological products used internationally. Many countries have adopted > the WHO standards. > Many countries have their own scientists who have the capacity to > oversee vaccines development. All such works are thoroughly peer reviewed. > The > general stages of the development cycle of a vaccine are: > * Exploratory stage > * Pre-clinical stage > * Clinical development > * Regulatory review and approval > * Manufacturing > * Quality control > Clinical > development is a three-phase process. During Phase I, small groups of > people receive the trial vaccine. In Phase II, the clinical study is > expanded and vaccine is given to people who have characteristics (such > as age and physical > health) similar to those for whom the new vaccine is intended. In > Phase III, the vaccine is given to thousands of people and tested for > efficacy and safety. > Many > vaccines undergo Phase IV formal, ongoing studies after the vaccine is > approved and licensed. > In Conclusion, Vaccines are developed, tested, and regulated in a very > similar manner to other drugs. In general, vaccines are even more > thoroughly tested than non-vaccine drugs because the number of human > subjects in vaccine clinical trials is usually greater. In addition, > post-licensure monitoring of vaccines is closely examined by the > Centers for Disease Control and the FDA. > Opposition > to vaccination. > Although the times have changed, the emotions and deep-rooted > beliefs-whether philosophical, political, or spiritual-that underlie > vaccine opposition have remained relatively consistent ever since > Edward Jenner introduced vaccination in 1796. Comrades Akua and Pariyo > probably belong to this group of opponents of vaccination. > What I would like to say to my friends is that vaccines have been > described as one of the ten most important and cost effective advances > in medicine in this century. > Because of vaccines, some diseases like Small pox have been eliminated > from the face of the world, polio is on the verge of being eliminated. > In Uganda, we spent several years without outbreaks of measles. > It > is of recent that due to the declining immunisation coverage, we are > beginning to experience measles outbreaks in the country. If I may > ask, what alternatives to vaccines do our friends propose? Do vaccines > really kill? I believe that some of us are now in advanced age groups > in spite of having been vaccinated during our child hood, including > some of the friends who are opponents of vaccination. Since, let's say > 1960, how many children in West Nile have been vaccinated? If > vaccination was for killing people, how many people would still be > alive in West Nile? > > > > > Dr. Anguzu Yumaa Patrick > P.O.Box 701 Arua, Uganda, East Africa. > Telephone: +256476421367 - Home > +256772696200 - Mobile > e-mail: [email protected] > > "Yesterday is history. Tomorrow is a mystery. Today is a gift. That's > why it's called the present. " > There's never a "right time" to wait for. So whenever you get the > chance, take a risk. > > > > ________________________________ > From: kikonyogo kivumbi <[email protected]> > To: George Afi Obitre-Gama <[email protected]>; A Virtual Network for > friends of West Nile <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 12:38 PM > Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] SCIENCE CAFE --- CHRISTINE MUNDURU > > I will disagree with you Akua. Christine Munduru is an exemplary > person held in high esteem countrywide. I know well the concept behind > the Science Cafe and i fully support it. It is a harmless initiative > to make a contribution to the welfare of people's health. I will > encourage you Akua to separate personal vendetta against Christine > from an otherwise good forum for constructive ideas. Science cafe is > helping people in Kampala and Entebbe. What makes you Akua think it is > not good for westnilers. Kindly revisit your ideas. > Kikonyogo > > On 4/21/12, George Afi Obitre-Gama <[email protected]> wrote: >> Ladies and Gentlemen, >> >> With due respect, I do not think such kind of submissions against >> Christine who has been trying her best to do the best for the >> region's girl child;s health just by giving the latest information >> should be entertained. >> Replies >> and/or contributions should be respectful to one another and should >> be to the point, not abusive and deragatory - not just a cut and >> paste scenario like the previous email submission. >> >> I highly and seriously suggest that if a member of the forum has such >> kind of negative attitude to what is simply a suggestion for >> information's sake which can be "a take it Or leave it", then such a >> member should be de-registered with immediate effect. >> >> Kigs, kindly investigate and do the needful. >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: akua tree <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 4:33 PM >> Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] SCIENCE CAFE --- CHRISTINE MUNDURU >> >> >> TO CHRISTINE MUNDURU ! >> >> >> Science(from Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge") >> >> SELLING - NO FUTURE - IS IT WISE ? >> >> WHAT DO WE DO WITH A SCIENCE CAFE THAT HAVE PEOPLE LIKE YOU EMPTYING >> OUR REGION FOR ITS PEOPLE . >> ' WHO ' ARE YOU REALLY ' HELPING ' >> AND TO PREVENTING WHAT ? >> >> VACCINATE OUR YOUNG GIRLS , NO FUTURE !! >> >> AKUA SERWAAH >> >> >>> From: [email protected] >>> Subject: WestNileNet Digest, Vol 44, Issue 18 >>> To: [email protected] >>> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 12:00:02 +0300 >>> >>> Send WestNileNet mailing list submissions to [email protected] >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> [email protected] >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> [email protected] >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of WestNileNet digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: Science Cafe Uganda in world News (Stephen Aceku) 2. Fwd: Fw: >>> Fwd: FW: Please circulate (Nelly Badaru) >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> -- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 05:56:03 -0700 (PDT) >>> From: Stephen Aceku <[email protected]> >>> To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Science Cafe Uganda in world News >>> Message-ID: >>> <[email protected]> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> Please Add this new member Latigo Michael Kwame >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Christine Munduru <[email protected]> >>> To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 3:53 AM >>> Subject: [WestNileNet] Science Cafe Uganda in world News >>> >>> >>> Dear all, this is just to let you know that Science Cafe Uganda is >>> slowly finding its way into the world. >>> Science cafe will represent Uganda among five countries selected to >>> pilot cervical cancer and HPV vaccine awareness at grassroots >>> communities to generate information for global advocacy strategy for >>> vaccine development and promotion by WHO. >>> Apparently Uganda has the highest incidence rate and mortality rate >>> among the 17 countries of Eastern Africa. This disease is >>> preventable but why is Uganda having this high incidence rate is the >>> million dollar question ? >>> Read the press release in advance to the world immunization week >>> with information from the five selected countries and their projects from >>> the? >>> Science cafe website. >>> You can also now view the cafe photos from the various discussions >>> being held on the website. >>> ? >>> Thanks >>> ? >>> Christine >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WestNileNet mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet >>> >>> WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM >>> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>> >>> All Archives can be found at >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>> >>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them >>> (including attachments if any). 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