On Apr 3, 2007, at 2:13 PM, L. David Baron wrote:
On Tuesday 2007-04-03 11:52 -0700, Dave Singer wrote:
Surely people have comments or questions on other aspects of our
proposal? There is new stuff, new ideas, and open areas, all ripe
for discussion....we have engineers standing by, eager to refine and
improve the video tag design itself...
If you want more comments, it would be good to include a URL to get
the proposal (potentially a message in the list archive, if that's
the best one). I'm not sure where to find it amid the hundreds of
messages on the list.
Apple's CSS Timed Media Module proposal - http://webkit.org/specs/
Timed_Media_CSS.html
Apple's HTML Timed Media Elements proposal - http://webkit.org/specs/
HTML_Timed_Media_Elements.html
I'm including Maciej's original message regarding Apple's proposals
below for reference.
A number of the ideas from Apple's HTML proposal have already been
incorporated into the current working draft of Web Applications 1.0.
<http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/>, naturally.
- Kevin
Begin forwarded message:
From: Maciej Stachowiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: March 21, 2007 5:08:26 PM PDT
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED] List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements
Hello WHAT Working Group,
With the recent discussions about the <video> element, we've
decided to post our own proposal in this area. This proposal is a
joint effort from the Safari/WebKit team and some of Apple's top
timed media experts, who have experience with QuickTime and other
media technologies.
A number of Apple Engineers will follow and participate in further
<video> discussions, including myself and my colleague Dave Singer,
who has represented Apple in a number of media-related standards
groups.
We started work on these documents before the <video> element was
added to the spec and indeed before Opera made their original
proposal. But in the interests of getting them out quickly, we
decided to publish what we have, rather than revising the documents
to be relative to the current spec. This document is still a work
in progress, and I hope together we can refine it and fold it into
the Web Apps 1.0 spec.
There are a few areas of difference worth highlighting:
- Our proposal includes a CSS module, which we will eventually
submit to the CSS Working Group. We believe that many aspects of
controlling timed media are presentational, and so are best
represented in CSS. Although Web Apps 1.0 is not the final
destination for this document, we think it makes more sense to
consider the whole design at once.
- We have included a more thorough set of events and properties
which we think are needed to build good custom controller UI. In
general, we would like to enable not just current web use cases but
also somewhat more advanced uses.
- We have included an <audio> element as well as <video>.
- We have included a mechanism for static fallback based on
container type and codec, so that it's possible to choose the best
video format for a client even if user agent codec support varies.
We will be starting separate threads on these and other key issues.
We've posted our current proposals here:
CSS Timed Media Module proposal - http://webkit.org/specs/
Timed_Media_CSS.html
HTML Timed Media Elements - http://webkit.org/specs/
HTML_Timed_Media_Elements.html
We also have a list of areas where we think the proposal could use
refinement or additional features, but where we do not yet have a
final design to present:
http://webkit.org/specs/Timed_Media_Elements-Open_Issues.html
Regards,
Maciej Stachowiak
