Re: [whatwg] HTML as a text format: Should be optional?</span></a></span> </h1> <p class="darkgray font13"> <span class="sender pipe"><a href="/search?l=whatwg@lists.whatwg.org&q=from:%22%C3%98istein+E+.+Andersen%22" rel="nofollow"><span itemprop="author" itemscope itemtype="http://schema.org/Person"><span itemprop="name">Øistein E . Andersen</span></span></a></span> <span class="date"><a href="/search?l=whatwg@lists.whatwg.org&q=date:20090418" rel="nofollow">Sat, 18 Apr 2009 04:54:44 -0700</a></span> </p> </div> <div itemprop="articleBody" class="msgBody"> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <pre style="margin: 0em;"> On 18 Apr 2009, at 00:02, Randy Drielinger wrote: </pre><blockquote style="border-left: #5555EE solid 0.2em; margin: 0em; padding-left: 0.85em"><tt>If you're converting from a textfile, title could refer to the </tt><tt>filename. </tt></blockquote><pre style="margin: 0em;"></pre><pre> </pre><tt>It could, but chances are that the original filename would typically </tt><tt>be less useful than the URL, which is what most browsers use when the </tt><tt><title> element is omitted, so this rather sounds like an argument </tt><tt>against forcing authors to include a <title>. </tt><pre style="margin: 0em;"> On 18 Apr 2009, at 02:10, Michael Enright wrote: </pre><blockquote style="border-left: #5555EE solid 0.2em; margin: 0em; padding-left: 0.85em"><pre style="margin: 0em;"> If you want a title, put a title element in. </pre></blockquote><pre style="margin: 0em;"> Quite. </pre><blockquote style="border-left: #5555EE solid 0.2em; margin: 0em; padding-left: 0.85em"><pre style="margin: 0em;"> Is the concern about validation? </pre></blockquote><pre style="margin: 0em;"> </pre><tt>Yes, my concern is that a validator should be useful as an authoring </tt><tt>tool and not overwhelm the author with spurious errors. As I see it, </tt><tt>leaving out <title> is very much like leaving out a paragraph of text </tt><tt>and not something that should matter for validation. </tt><pre style="margin: 0em;"> </pre><blockquote style="border-left: #5555EE solid 0.2em; margin: 0em; padding-left: 0.85em"><pre style="margin: 0em;"> Could the validator's warning about missing doctype be taken as </pre><tt>advisory? [...] It only affects the details of rendering (by turning </tt><tt>off quirks) </tt></blockquote><pre style="margin: 0em;"> </pre><tt>The doctype could technically be made optional in documents on which </tt><tt>it has little or no impact (including in particular documents with no </tt><tt>JavaScript, CSS or equivalent HTML attributes), but this would </tt><tt>arguably add quite a bit of complexity and also make it slightly more </tt><tt>difficult to add (certain classes of) CSS, since a doctype would have </tt><tt>to be added to give the expected rendering (and for the document to </tt><tt>remain conforming). </tt><pre style="margin: 0em;"> -- Øistein E. 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