On 2017-03-27 05:50, Richard Maher wrote:
Broadcast Messaging and Topic Based subscription is now available to your
WebApp just like native Apps thanks to FCM.


I am absolutely ecstatic about this, as we all should be, and equally
grateful to FCM for having managed to bypass the recalcitrance and sheer
bloody-mindedness of spec-authors to provide functionality that everyone
outside the ivory-towers was begging for.

I thought WhatWG was set up to challenge the delusional elite a la mode de
HTML5? Why the silence?

Maybe because this is a Google API and cloud service rather than a web standard added to Chrome, Firefox, Edge, Safari, Opera, Vivaldi etc? Unless I'm missing some important detail here!

Anyway rejoice and be glad as Native Apps have one less stick to beat us
over the head with. And you Firefox fans are no longer stuck with Mozilla's
third-rate AutoPush!

I'm not aware of anything called autopush, is this another cloud API?
Or do you mean https://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Web/API/Push_API ?

Now if we can only get background geolocation with ServiceWorkers nothing
can stop WebApps: -

Considering I'm coding both native and "HTML5" based "apps" there is far more that needs to be improved. There is no way to reliably know how much LocalStorage or IndexDB space the web app has, trying to access or list files locally in a folder is not possible, something as simple as a editable soundboard can't be made if it's run locally (via file: protocol). While Xinput is supported, DirectInput is not and there is a lot of controllers out there that are not Xinput. Trying to save a file locally is a pain, you have to simulate a download. Loading a audio file manipulating it and saving it again is not the same as with a native app, instead you end up with a duplicate file in the download folder instead of the original files folder.

There is a difference between a Webapp that supports offline and a offline "HTML5" app.

Using NWN.js and Electron turns it into a native app anyway, ideally one should not have to do this, at least not for "simple" apps.

PS. The cognoscente are once more assembling on April 4-5 for a Japanese
junket on ServiceWorkers to yet again wax bollocks on "offline first" :-(

What is wrong with offline first? If you have a Ohms law calculator and your internet is down there is no reason why it should not still work if it was saved in the cache or even locally as a .html file and opened in the browser while the internet is down. It's rare for the internet to be down for long periods of time, but usually it goes down wen it's the least convenient and not having apps break and still work is important in those cases.

Please lobby the names that can be found in the hall of shame here: -

Hall of shame? It sounds like you have some form of personal agenda here.

Roger Hågensen,
Freelancer, Norway.

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