Gili, You are contradicting yourself. First you say that Wicket isn't ready for production use, and then you say some big ass companies need to use it. Guess what, those big ass companies aren't going to use Wicket when we keep saying that Wicket isn't ready for production use. Furthermore, the project Eelco is working on is not just a pet project for Eelco, it is (given the current exchange rate for euro's and dollars ;-) ) pretty expensive stuff and will become mission critical for that company.
Wicket is ready for production use the moment we release 1.0. I don't think you should use Wicket for pacemakers, or controlling nuclear powerplants, but that is also true for Linux and almost all software. I *do* think that Wicket is ready for most web applications, be it small or large. Of course we are going to find bugs, problems and what not. But we *never* can foresee all uses. Should that prohibit us promoting Wicket? Should we withhold Wicket from all those developers strugling to keep their HTML files, XML binding files and java code consistent just because *you* think Wicket is 'not production ready'? I looked at the bug list, and couldn't find any performance related issue open. Yes, I think that it is possible to write performance hogs in Wicket, but you have to do some pretty ignorant stuff in order to create one. As such, creating performance hogs is also easily done in Struts, Maverick, Cocoon, WebWork, etc. All it takes is ignorance and not performing scalability tests. Believe it or not, Wicket is production ready when we ship 1.0. I know, because I use it! Martijn Gili wrote: > > Err, sorry to interject but I also feel that we don't do enough > large-scale development on Wicket. Eelco, I understand you have been > using Wicket for your project but that is one person doing one project > and over the past few months we've run into a lot of issues that make > it clear that Wicket is not yet ready for use in production machines. > There was and still is some pretty basic functionality missing from > the framework and most recently performance has become a more > noticable factor. I think that one cannot say that Wicket is ready for > use in production machines until after a handful of companies with big > websites use it. > > As Jon pointed out, that will likely be Wicket 1.1, not 1.0. Even > when the latter goes final I don't think it'll have decent performance > for use in corporate websites. Just my 2 cents. > > Gili > > Eelco Hillenius wrote: > >> You're not? We do. Though the web application part is just a part of >> the whole, we're using Wicket for our 7 man year + project right now. >> >> The fact that we don't have javascript support etc. build in yet, >> doesn't mean it is not useable. You can do Javascript, AJAX, whatever >> right now if you want to. It's just not yet totally integrated, which >> actually only means that you'll not be able to create high level >> reuseable components with JS/ AJAX/ etc. >> >> I also think the clustering options are suited for production now. >> Might need a few tweaks here and there, but it's allready so much >> better than the Struts-like frameworks we're used to. And if you want >> to develop client-state pages, you can do that now (using >> bookmarkable pages). It's just that we're gonna make it even easier >> in 1.1. >> >> Eelco >> >>> >>> >>> if it helps any, i believe this is not going to be any /long term/ >>> trouble. right now, i would not base a million dollar large-scale >>> web app on wicket... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide >> Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. >> Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. >> http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click >> _______________________________________________ >> Wicket-user mailing list >> Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. > Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Wicket-user mailing list > Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user > ------------------------------------------------------- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click _______________________________________________ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
