OH SCHNAP!!!!

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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wicket-user-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martijn Dashorst
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 2:59 PM
> To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] Howard is bluffing here ...
> 
> we're not tired of you yet :D
> 
> On 8/25/06, Igor Vaynberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > yeah, but that is only fun for so long.... :)
> >
> >
> > -Igor
> >
> >
> > On 8/25/06, Scott T weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Good question, I wasn't a list moderator at the time.  However, he did
> a
> > pretty good job of making an ass of himself so we just let him continue
> ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -scott
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> >
> > >
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of Igor Vaynberg
> > > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 2:32 PM
> > >
> > > To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> > > Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] Howard is bluffing here ...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > why didnt you just ban him off the list? seems like a rational thing
> to do
> > :)
> > >
> > > -Igor
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/25/06, Scott T weaver < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah, well at least he isn't trolling your user list ;-)  We used to
> have
> > some douche bag from some other OS portal project (forget the name)
> troll
> > the Jetspeed user-list constantly.  This was back, oh, about 3-4 years
> ago.
> > This person felt it was his duty to respond to every user question with
> how
> > shitty Jetspeed was and how much better his portal was.  It had to be
> the
> > most unprofessional thing I had ever seen in all my days of developing
> OS
> > software.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -scott
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> >
> > >
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of Igor Vaynberg
> > > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 2:07 PM
> > > To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> > > Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] Howard is bluffing here ...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > seems to me like howard was the one who started the flamewar by
> talking
> > crap about wicket in his blog comment :)
> > >
> > > but honestly, who cares? different people like different things, lets
> just
> > leave it at that.
> > >
> > > i really liked tapestry and used it professionally when it was in the
> 3.x,
> > beginnings of 4.x incarnations. but then i found wicket and it clicked
> with
> > me because it works in a way that i like to work. im sure some people
> who
> > are using wicket can try tapestry and switch because it fits them
> better.
> > >
> > > what pisses me off is when people who take no time to look at the
> > framework start talking shit about it - especially when they are authors
> of
> > competing frameworks themselves :)
> > >
> > > -Igor
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/25/06, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Just read some of the features he proposes on his blog. He seems to
> > > make a big deal on getting the DI right with @InjectService. Maybe
> > > someone should tell him about @SpringBean? ;) I'm sure he does fancier
> > > things, though I doubt it's something you really need for the user
> > > interface. Furthermore: 'This is the theme for all of Tapestry 5:
> > > Simpler, easier, faster, more understandable, more powerful. Avoid
> > > XML. Improve productivity. Make the framework adapt to your classes
> > > and your methods, rather than the other way around.' ... So what's
> > > new/ different? :)
> > >
> > > If someone can point out some really drastic improvements I'd
> > > certainly be interested to learn... And before this is getting to be a
> > > flamewar. No-one of the team has a big problem with Tapestry, though
> > > some are ex-Tapestry users. I still hope component oriented frameworks
> > > like Wicket, Echo, GWT, and Tapestry will eat up the model 2/ web mvc
> > > frameworks, cause imo that's where the real evil is. >8-|
> > >
> > > Eelco
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/25/06, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > It's understandable that he gives a strong opinion to a direct
> attack
> > > > on his framework. He's probably as ill informed about Wicket as we
> are
> > > > on Tapestry 5 though. So what she should do is take a look at what
> he
> > > > is doing and see whether we can learn something from it. Unlikely
> > > > though as it'll still be the difference between an unmanaged
> framework
> > > > (Wicket) and a managed/ declarative one (Tapestry). That, together
> > > > with some of the other major differences, makes that we'll likely be
> > > > improving our frameworks in very different directions.
> > > >
> > > > Eelco
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 8/25/06, Francis Amanfo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I found this current post on Howard's blog. I quote it here:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Wicket has a nice community and a few nice ideas, but it does not
> > compare
> > > > > to what I have planned for Tapestry 5. I believe Java is going to
> > thrive at
> > > > > the high end and performance is going to be one of the
> differentiators
> > from
> > > > > Ruby on Rails. In addition, the Wicket model can't address the
> kind of
> > > > > short-cycle development issues that will be part of Tapestry 5. I
> > think
> > > > > Wicket is fairly broken in that it stores the component model
> inside
> > the
> > > > > HttpSession. This has been a critical flaw for JSF as well, where
> > they've
> > > > > realized that they don't have a proper approach to handling true
> > > > > scalability. Wicket is a neater, cleaner version of Tapestry 1.0
> or
> > maybe
> > > > > 2.0. I've said in the past that I found it quite unambitious for
> > starting
> > > > > from scratch. I'm now working on Tapestry 5 which is quite
> ambitious."
> > > > >
> > > > > Either this man is jealous of the success and popularity of Wicket
> or
> > he
> > > > > might have forgotten to take his pills before hitting his fingers
> on
> > his
> > > > > keyboard. Go remind him to do so the next time at:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> >
> http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4110180&postID=115393199327621322
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
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