I understand your position... Shades is your hobby, pet project and it would be nice that people find it helpful. I think there is a market for it, as other people have come to the same conclusion.
At my company at least I and a collegue of mine are very interested in trying out http://www.simpleorm.org/ It seems like this is very similar to your proposition. Their goals are about the same but they took a different direction. The name 'Shades' is not a pun directed to 'The Shades', from Terry Pratchett's Discworld, would it? :) Martijn On 8/26/06, Geoff hendrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sure - but honestly I don't want to convince anyone > they need Shades. > > One problem I found with JDO was that the > PersistenceManager was not serializable. Another is > that detachment had to be handled explicitely. > > In Shades all pojo's are inherently detached. Change > tracking is automagic. The DatabaseSession is > ultra-leightweight and totally appropriate for keeping > in a Session. > > A big innovation in Shades is how identity is handled > - that really solved a lot of problems for me related > to change of identity within transactions. Identity is > a much more fluid concept in Shades, due to the > dynamic ORMapping interface, which you can even > implement on the fly as an anonynmous inner class. > > To be clear, I found ways to make JDO work just fine > with Wicket. Certainly JDO was a huge step forward in > making it easier to use Pojo-based frameworks like > Wicket. > > I blogged a bit on my motivation for Shades: > http://notskateboarding.blogspot.com/ > > -geoff > > > > --- Igor Vaynberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > i glanced over the code - but i dont get it after > > the first glance. perhaps > > you can explain what difficulties you hit when using > > wicket and an orm to > > help us better understand. > > > > seems to me like you are trying to work with a ui > > connected to a persistence > > layer - without a service layer in between. have you > > seen databinder which > > glues wicket and hibernate together? > > > > also your point about wicket and tapestry - wicket > > is much more flexible > > because it has IModel which gives you an extra layer > > of indirection that can > > hide a lot of orm logic and make the code > > cleaner/easier. > > > > -Igor > > > > > > On 8/26/06, Geoff hendrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I was one of the early users of Wicket before 1.0. > > I > > > did a lot of work to use Wicket with my JDO > > > implementation JDOMax (no longer supported). In > > the > > > process I learned a lot about why it is harder > > than it > > > has to be to use many ORM frameworks with Wicket > > and > > > Tapestry. > > > > > > I'm a member of JSR 243 Java Data Objects Experts > > > Group, and I advocated hard within that spec for > > the > > > "fixing" of the JDO spec with regard to > > > non-transaction-write behavior, along with Eric > > Samson > > > and others. The JDO group was receptive, having > > > gotten similar feedback from Howard Lewis Ship of > > > Tapestry. I believe this change will benefit > > Wicket > > > users, and make it much easier to use JDO 2.0 than > > JDO > > > 1.1, from Wicket. > > > > > > However, I still wasn't satisfied that it was > > "easy" > > > to do ORM from Wicket or Tapestry. So I started a > > new > > > project, based on what I learned -- it's a better > > way > > > to do ORM -- I call it Shades. Following the > > wicket > > > style,Shades works without any XML configuration. > > > > > > Rather than make this any longer-winded, I thought > > I > > > would just begin passing back some code, showing > > the > > > Library sample application using Shades. The > > attached > > > zipfile is just the "library" folder from the > > wicket > > > sample applications. EditBook.java and > > > LibrarySession.java have been altered to use > > Shades > > > for database access. LibraryORMDictionary.java is > > the > > > only new file required. > > > > > > Please let me know what you think. Also, I do not > > have > > > a website for Shades yet but I hope to find the > > right > > > venue for open sourcing the code soon. (see > > attached > > > zip file 'library.zippo' with library-example > > directory) > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? 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