unfortunately, if you want to make impact in the Academia, the approach of "all we need is a wiki" will not work. Even the most avid enthusiasts of open publication models and of wiki usually do have career-paths, tenure reviews, etc. As long as reality is as it is now, we'd have to have a "proper" journal, with PDFs, page numbers, etc., and an aim to enter the journal rankings, because otherwise the top researchers will have a strong incentive not to even consider our journal in their publications.
best, dj On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:42 AM, emijrp <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, I think that it is important to focus in the wikis topic. It is so > broad that hardly would need more than that, I neither understand the > WikiSym move to OpenSym. > > But not only a new journal, we have an opportunity to create a more open > publication model, using a... wiki for all the steps (writing, > peer-reviewing and final publication). > > I see this project like a big experiment. All we need is a wiki, some > volunteers to write papers and some volunteers to peer-review them. After a > year of work, we can publish all the "approved" papers as the Journal of > Wikis, Vol. 1, Issue 1. > > Volunteers? > > > > 2012/11/2 Piotr Konieczny <[email protected]> > >> This is not a list for researching collaboration support software, this >> is a list for discussing one specific type of it, the wikis (with a focus >> on Wikipedia). I see nothing wrong with retaining this focus, and I am >> surprised that the rather successful WikiSym is trying to reframe itself. >> Perhaps it makes sense for a conference, although I am not convinced. For >> journal, there is certainly a scope for a (the...) journal limited to wiki >> studies. There is already a number of journals dedicated to collaboration >> support software (International Journal of Computer-Supported Collaborative >> Learning - http://ijcscl.org/ ; International Journal of e-Collaboration >> - >> http://www.igi-global.com/journal/international-journal-collaboration-ijec/1090; >> The Journal of Collaborative Computing and Work Practices - >> http://www.springer.com/computer/journal/10606), plus some more broad >> journals on collaboration (International Journal of Collaborative Practices >> - http://collaborative-practices.com/ ; Journal of collaboration - >> http://www.springerlink.com/content/g22377427w636731/). Starting an n-th >> journal on that topic seems rather pointless to me, the only redeeming >> grace would be that ours would be open source (most others are closed). >> Much better, IMHO, to start the FIRST journal of wiki studies. A more >> narrow field, yes, but much more badly in need of a journal than the >> broader field of collaboration support software, which already has several >> related journals. >> >> -- >> Piotr Konieczny >> >> "To be defeated and not submit, is victory; to be victorious and rest on >> one's laurels, is defeat." --Józef Pilsudski >> >> On 11/1/2012 2:21 PM, Aaron Halfaker wrote: >> >> > I'd suggest focusing on the area of wiki studies, nothing more and >> nothing less. >> >> I don't think that this is a good strategy. Wiki's are just one type >> of collaboration support software. What if the artifact of collaboration >> is not hypertext? Most people would not consider a open source code >> repository to be a "wiki" without doing some stretching, but as far as the >> contribution model goes, it is nearly the same. >> >> Recently, the steering committee of WikiSym became aware of the problem >> of branding the conference around a single open collaboration technology >> and has started a transition from "WikiSym" to "OpenSym". >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Piotr Konieczny <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On 11/1/2012 7:45 AM, Pierre-Carl Langlais wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> *Technical issue : we probably need a specific wiki. Whereas not highly >>>> sophisticated, it should perhaps include some reading functions in order to >>>> make the journal main content easy to read and to refer to. >>>> >>> What's wrong with hosting it at one of WMF wikis? Meta or Wikiversity >>> seem rather appropriate? >>> >>> >>> *Scientific issue : the journal requires rather a broad and definite >>>> general thematic, in order to receive diverse and, yet, coherent >>>> submissions. Perhaps a focus on epistemological topics (open access...) or >>>> communication topics (wiki-system and so on...) could deem appropriate, as >>>> it >>>> would allow to go beyond disciplinary barriers. >>>> >>> >>> I'd suggest focusing on the area of wiki studies, nothing more and >>> nothing less. >>> >>> >>> *Financial issue : a small grant from the WMF would be enough to start. >>>> As the journal is to rely on volunteer work, all we have to do is to ensure >>>> the technical bare necessities. >>>> >>>> >>> WMF grants procedure is here: >>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Index >>> Through I am not sure what costs would involved, if it is hosted at a >>> WMF wiki, and run by volunteers. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Piotr Konieczny >>> >>> "To be defeated and not submit, is victory; to be victorious and rest on >>> one's laurels, is defeat." --Józef Pilsudski >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki-research-l mailing >> [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki-research-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >> >> > > > -- > Emilio J. 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