+1 Let me add that the peer-reviewing system is a must, but not enough by itself for considering the magazine an addition to science. There is another important fact: who reviews the papers?
If a groups of enthusiastic but non-experienced, non-expert in research people review the submissions, what could be the result? A poor journal with little interest for academia ... 2012/11/2 Dariusz Jemielniak <[email protected]> > unfortunately, if you want to make impact in the Academia, the approach of > "all we need is a wiki" will not work. Even the most avid enthusiasts of > open publication models and of wiki usually do have career-paths, tenure > reviews, etc. As long as reality is as it is now, we'd have to have a > "proper" journal, with PDFs, page numbers, etc., and an aim to enter the > journal rankings, because otherwise the top researchers will have a strong > incentive not to even consider our journal in their publications. > > best, > > dj > > > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:42 AM, emijrp <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Yes, I think that it is important to focus in the wikis topic. It is so >> broad that hardly would need more than that, I neither understand the >> WikiSym move to OpenSym. >> >> But not only a new journal, we have an opportunity to create a more open >> publication model, using a... wiki for all the steps (writing, >> peer-reviewing and final publication). >> >> I see this project like a big experiment. All we need is a wiki, some >> volunteers to write papers and some volunteers to peer-review them. After a >> year of work, we can publish all the "approved" papers as the Journal of >> Wikis, Vol. 1, Issue 1. >> >> Volunteers? >> >> >> >> 2012/11/2 Piotr Konieczny <[email protected]> >> >>> This is not a list for researching collaboration support software, >>> this is a list for discussing one specific type of it, the wikis (with a >>> focus on Wikipedia). I see nothing wrong with retaining this focus, and I >>> am surprised that the rather successful WikiSym is trying to reframe >>> itself. Perhaps it makes sense for a conference, although I am not >>> convinced. For journal, there is certainly a scope for a (the...) journal >>> limited to wiki studies. There is already a number of journals dedicated to >>> collaboration support software (International Journal of Computer-Supported >>> Collaborative Learning - http://ijcscl.org/ ; International Journal of >>> e-Collaboration - >>> http://www.igi-global.com/journal/international-journal-collaboration-ijec/1090; >>> The Journal of Collaborative Computing and Work Practices - >>> http://www.springer.com/computer/journal/10606), plus some more broad >>> journals on collaboration (International Journal of Collaborative Practices >>> - http://collaborative-practices.com/ ; Journal of collaboration - >>> http://www.springerlink.com/content/g22377427w636731/). Starting an >>> n-th journal on that topic seems rather pointless to me, the only redeeming >>> grace would be that ours would be open source (most others are closed). >>> Much better, IMHO, to start the FIRST journal of wiki studies. A more >>> narrow field, yes, but much more badly in need of a journal than the >>> broader field of collaboration support software, which already has several >>> related journals. >>> >>> -- >>> Piotr Konieczny >>> >>> "To be defeated and not submit, is victory; to be victorious and rest on >>> one's laurels, is defeat." --Józef Pilsudski >>> >>> On 11/1/2012 2:21 PM, Aaron Halfaker wrote: >>> >>> > I'd suggest focusing on the area of wiki studies, nothing more and >>> nothing less. >>> >>> I don't think that this is a good strategy. Wiki's are just one type >>> of collaboration support software. What if the artifact of collaboration >>> is not hypertext? Most people would not consider a open source code >>> repository to be a "wiki" without doing some stretching, but as far as the >>> contribution model goes, it is nearly the same. >>> >>> Recently, the steering committee of WikiSym became aware of the >>> problem of branding the conference around a single open collaboration >>> technology and has started a transition from "WikiSym" to "OpenSym". >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Piotr Konieczny <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On 11/1/2012 7:45 AM, Pierre-Carl Langlais wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Technical issue : we probably need a specific wiki. Whereas not >>>>> highly sophisticated, it should perhaps include some reading functions in >>>>> order to make the journal main content easy to read and to refer to. >>>>> >>>> What's wrong with hosting it at one of WMF wikis? Meta or Wikiversity >>>> seem rather appropriate? >>>> >>>> >>>> *Scientific issue : the journal requires rather a broad and definite >>>>> general thematic, in order to receive diverse and, yet, coherent >>>>> submissions. Perhaps a focus on epistemological topics (open access…) or >>>>> communication topics (wiki-system and so on…) could deem appropriate, as >>>>> it >>>>> would allow to go beyond disciplinary barriers. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I'd suggest focusing on the area of wiki studies, nothing more and >>>> nothing less. >>>> >>>> >>>> *Financial issue : a small grant from the WMF would be enough to >>>>> start. As the journal is to rely on volunteer work, all we have to do is >>>>> to >>>>> ensure the technical bare necessities. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> WMF grants procedure is here: >>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Index >>>> Through I am not sure what costs would involved, if it is hosted at a >>>> WMF wiki, and run by volunteers. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Piotr Konieczny >>>> >>>> "To be defeated and not submit, is victory; to be victorious and rest >>>> on one's laurels, is defeat." --Józef Pilsudski >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki-research-l mailing >>> [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Emilio J. 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