I would like to volunteer to help, but I agree with Darek that we need
to aim towards entering serious journal rankings from day 1. I think we
can both experiment with the wiki publishing model, and prepare a pdf
versions if needed for the traditionalists; it's not like it's difficult
- MediaWiki has a pdf-export option (wikibook), and it is a standard
feature in Open/Libre Office, too.
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On 11/2/2012 5:58 AM, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote:
unfortunately, if you want to make impact in the Academia, the
approach of "all we need is a wiki" will not work. Even the most avid
enthusiasts of open publication models and of wiki usually do have
career-paths, tenure reviews, etc. As long as reality is as it is now,
we'd have to have a "proper" journal, with PDFs, page numbers, etc.,
and an aim to enter the journal rankings, because otherwise the top
researchers will have a strong incentive not to even consider our
journal in their publications.
best,
dj
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:42 AM, emijrp <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Yes, I think that it is important to focus in the wikis topic. It
is so broad that hardly would need more than that, I neither
understand the WikiSym move to OpenSym.
But not only a new journal, we have an opportunity to create a
more open publication model, using a... wiki for all the steps
(writing, peer-reviewing and final publication).
I see this project like a big experiment. All we need is a wiki,
some volunteers to write papers and some volunteers to peer-review
them. After a year of work, we can publish all the "approved"
papers as the Journal of Wikis, Vol. 1, Issue 1.
Volunteers?
2012/11/2 Piotr Konieczny <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
This is not a list for researching collaboration support
software, this is a list for discussing one specific type of
it, the wikis (with a focus on Wikipedia). I see nothing wrong
with retaining this focus, and I am surprised that the rather
successful WikiSym is trying to reframe itself. Perhaps it
makes sense for a conference, although I am not convinced. For
journal, there is certainly a scope for a (the...) journal
limited to wiki studies. There is already a number of journals
dedicated to collaboration support software (International
Journal of Computer-Supported Collaborative Learning -
http://ijcscl.org/ ; International Journal of e-Collaboration
-
http://www.igi-global.com/journal/international-journal-collaboration-ijec/1090
; The Journal of Collaborative Computing and Work Practices -
http://www.springer.com/computer/journal/10606), plus some
more broad journals on collaboration (International Journal of
Collaborative Practices - http://collaborative-practices.com/
; Journal of collaboration -
http://www.springerlink.com/content/g22377427w636731/).
Starting an n-th journal on that topic seems rather pointless
to me, the only redeeming grace would be that ours would be
open source (most others are closed). Much better, IMHO, to
start the FIRST journal of wiki studies. A more narrow field,
yes, but much more badly in need of a journal than the broader
field of collaboration support software, which already has
several related journals.
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"To be defeated and not submit, is victory; to be victorious and rest on
one's laurels, is defeat." --Józef Pilsudski
On 11/1/2012 2:21 PM, Aaron Halfaker wrote:
> I'd suggest focusing on the area of wiki studies, nothing
more and nothing less.
I don't think that this is a good strategy. Wiki's are just
one type of collaboration support software. What if the
artifact of collaboration is not hypertext? Most people
would not consider a open source code repository to be a
"wiki" without doing some stretching, but as far as the
contribution model goes, it is nearly the same.
Recently, the steering committee of WikiSym became aware of
the problem of branding the conference around a single open
collaboration technology and has started a transition from
"WikiSym" to "OpenSym".
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Piotr Konieczny
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 11/1/2012 7:45 AM, Pierre-Carl Langlais wrote:
*Technical issue : we probably need a specific wiki.
Whereas not highly sophisticated, it should perhaps
include some reading functions in order to make the
journal main content easy to read and to refer to.
What's wrong with hosting it at one of WMF wikis? Meta or
Wikiversity seem rather appropriate?
*Scientific issue : the journal requires rather a
broad and definite general thematic, in order to
receive diverse and, yet, coherent submissions.
Perhaps a focus on epistemological topics (open
access…) or communication topics (wiki-system and so
on…) could deem appropriate, as it would allow to go
beyond disciplinary barriers.
I'd suggest focusing on the area of wiki studies, nothing
more and nothing less.
*Financial issue : a small grant from the WMF would
be enough to start. As the journal is to rely on
volunteer work, all we have to do is to ensure the
technical bare necessities.
WMF grants procedure is here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Index
Through I am not sure what costs would involved, if it is
hosted at a WMF wiki, and run by volunteers.
--
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victorious and rest on one's laurels, is defeat." --Józef
Pilsudski
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