Am 05.06.2015 um 01:05 schrieb Oliver Keyes <[email protected]>:

> "We should concentrate on factual data for research" in a long email
> about how everything is ruined forever because a moderator couldn't
> find anything of value in an uncited claim that Jan-Bart actively
> drove people away?
> 
> This must be what people mean by "mixed methods" ;)

It has really been a very long road of frustration that lies behind the 
Community and what they call the "Wikimedia movement". I'd bet someone from 
within the Wikimedia apparatus with a Wikimedia email address would argue like 
that. 

I think what Nemo (Nemo, please correct me if I'm wrong) and I wanted to get 
across was that you have no right to speak like that vis-à-vis a volunteer who, 
as far as I am concerned, has spent ten years of his life building up a project 
that today has grown up to make /your/ living. It was yesterday exactly ten 
years ago that I made my first edit on Wikipedia. This is what /we/ call the 
community. You lack respect and tact towards the volunteers. I am sorry that I 
have to say so.

The point is that Wikimedia-l does not have a blacklist, but rather a 
Whitelist. Moderation happened after I subscribed to the list with a different 
email address. It's really that closed a circle.

Now, where should we go to discuss this now that there is no more Wikimedia-l 
left for that? I for one will not post any more to the research list about this 
matter because I gather its readers are in fact interested in other things. So, 
it's really EOD from my side.

Best,
Jürgen.
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