No, I'm not aware of any ongoing CAPTCHA work. There was a long thread on
wikitech-l starting last December ("Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly") that
resulted in some Phabricator tasks and a wikipage. But I don't know of any
active development plans.By the way: Aaron's in transition (of the timezone variety) right now, so it may be a day or so before he's able to respond to this thread. - J On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 10:53 PM, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: > I thought that someone was already working on CAPTCHA improvents, but I > can't remember who, and I haven't heard anything recently which makes me > wonder if this was de-prioritized. > > J-mo, do you happen to know the status of the CAPTCHA work is, and who, if > anyone, is active on that project? > > Pine > On Aug 16, 2015 10:41 PM, "WereSpielChequers" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi Kerry, >> >> there is an experiment going on that randomly opts half if new users into >> V/E and leaves half using the classic editor. That should account for why >> one of your newbies had been opted in but not the other. >> >> Captcha when adding citations is a longstanding problem, we need Captcha >> on account creation to keep the spam bots at bay, but somehow it also >> applies to newbies adding external links as cites, so we have a software >> feature that doesn't effect the vandals but instead targets the best of our >> newbies. My suspicion is that if we could work out when that was introduced >> and then compare it to subsequent recruitment and retention we would find >> that this was one of the most damaging mistakes we've made. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Jonathan >> >> >> On 17 Aug 2015, at 04:56, Kerry Raymond <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I ran my first training session using the Visual Editor this morning and >> hit what appeared to be a show-shopping bug. It appeared that the two new >> users (thankfully I had only 2) could not create a citation. They found >> themselves in an infinite loop of Save Page with Capcha when they tried to >> create a citation. >> >> >> >> By the end of the session, I managed to refine the bug to a combination >> of “new user”, “new article” (although created by me, not the new users), >> and citations involving a live URL, duly reported at >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback#New_users_unable_to_create_citation_with_a_live_external_link_in_it >> >> >> >> Ironically it first happened on their newly created User Pages where we >> were practising our new Wikipedia skills because tackling “real articles”. >> Then on the “real articles” I had created earlier for them to use (a >> training approach that has the benefit of not unleashing a horde of angry >> watchlisters when they make some silly mistake, which occurs if you let new >> people make their early edits on “popular articles”). (Spot the pattern, >> both were new articles!). >> >> >> >> Now if this had happened to a new user sitting at home, they would have >> been stymied. Because I was there to hold their hands in a training >> setting, I found a way around the problem by logging them in as me and we >> continued the training session on that basis (but not an option to the user >> sitting at home frustratingly typing in Capcha responses until they got >> frustrated and walked away). >> >> >> >> So, Aaron, it may be that your research on the impact of the VE was >> impacted by this bug. I imagine that users affected would have eventually >> aborted the edit as they were unable to save, unless by chance they were >> able to realise that the problem was caused by their citation and either >> removed the citation and just saved the text changes. It’s hard to say what >> the likelihood of a new user being affected is, as the problem seemed to >> relate to the age of the article (I am autopatrolled so I don’t think the >> new articles would have any “might be dodgy” status flags on them, but I am >> not familiar with how that side of things works). >> >> >> >> Also, is this experiment (or one similar) currently running? It’s just >> that when we went into the Preferences of the two new user accounts to >> enable the VE, one of them already had it enabled (yet I had seen both new >> user accounts created in front of me a couple of minutes earlier), so there >> was no possibility that this was anything other than a default setting for >> one of the two users. I thought enabling the VE was normally strictly >> opt-in? >> >> >> >> Kerry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki-research-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki-research-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >> >> -- Jonathan T. Morgan Senior Design Researcher Wikimedia Foundation User:Jmorgan (WMF) <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jmorgan_(WMF)>
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