No, you don't need CAPTCHA. You can use Honeypot. I think that would fix it.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Jonathan Morgan <[email protected]> wrote: > No, I'm not aware of any ongoing CAPTCHA work. There was a long thread on > wikitech-l starting last December ("Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly") that > resulted in some Phabricator tasks and a wikipage. But I don't know of any > active development plans. > > By the way: Aaron's in transition (of the timezone variety) right now, so > it may be a day or so before he's able to respond to this thread. > > - J > > On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 10:53 PM, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I thought that someone was already working on CAPTCHA improvents, but I >> can't remember who, and I haven't heard anything recently which makes me >> wonder if this was de-prioritized. >> >> J-mo, do you happen to know the status of the CAPTCHA work is, and who, >> if anyone, is active on that project? >> >> Pine >> On Aug 16, 2015 10:41 PM, "WereSpielChequers" < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Kerry, >>> >>> there is an experiment going on that randomly opts half if new users >>> into V/E and leaves half using the classic editor. That should account for >>> why one of your newbies had been opted in but not the other. >>> >>> Captcha when adding citations is a longstanding problem, we need Captcha >>> on account creation to keep the spam bots at bay, but somehow it also >>> applies to newbies adding external links as cites, so we have a software >>> feature that doesn't effect the vandals but instead targets the best of our >>> newbies. My suspicion is that if we could work out when that was introduced >>> and then compare it to subsequent recruitment and retention we would find >>> that this was one of the most damaging mistakes we've made. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Jonathan >>> >>> >>> On 17 Aug 2015, at 04:56, Kerry Raymond <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I ran my first training session using the Visual Editor this morning and >>> hit what appeared to be a show-shopping bug. It appeared that the two new >>> users (thankfully I had only 2) could not create a citation. They found >>> themselves in an infinite loop of Save Page with Capcha when they tried to >>> create a citation. >>> >>> >>> >>> By the end of the session, I managed to refine the bug to a combination >>> of “new user”, “new article” (although created by me, not the new users), >>> and citations involving a live URL, duly reported at >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback#New_users_unable_to_create_citation_with_a_live_external_link_in_it >>> >>> >>> >>> Ironically it first happened on their newly created User Pages where we >>> were practising our new Wikipedia skills because tackling “real articles”. >>> Then on the “real articles” I had created earlier for them to use (a >>> training approach that has the benefit of not unleashing a horde of angry >>> watchlisters when they make some silly mistake, which occurs if you let new >>> people make their early edits on “popular articles”). (Spot the pattern, >>> both were new articles!). >>> >>> >>> >>> Now if this had happened to a new user sitting at home, they would have >>> been stymied. Because I was there to hold their hands in a training >>> setting, I found a way around the problem by logging them in as me and we >>> continued the training session on that basis (but not an option to the user >>> sitting at home frustratingly typing in Capcha responses until they got >>> frustrated and walked away). >>> >>> >>> >>> So, Aaron, it may be that your research on the impact of the VE was >>> impacted by this bug. I imagine that users affected would have eventually >>> aborted the edit as they were unable to save, unless by chance they were >>> able to realise that the problem was caused by their citation and either >>> removed the citation and just saved the text changes. It’s hard to say what >>> the likelihood of a new user being affected is, as the problem seemed to >>> relate to the age of the article (I am autopatrolled so I don’t think the >>> new articles would have any “might be dodgy” status flags on them, but I am >>> not familiar with how that side of things works). >>> >>> >>> >>> Also, is this experiment (or one similar) currently running? It’s just >>> that when we went into the Preferences of the two new user accounts to >>> enable the VE, one of them already had it enabled (yet I had seen both new >>> user accounts created in front of me a couple of minutes earlier), so there >>> was no possibility that this was anything other than a default setting for >>> one of the two users. I thought enabling the VE was normally strictly >>> opt-in? >>> >>> >>> >>> Kerry >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >>> >>> > > > -- > Jonathan T. Morgan > Senior Design Researcher > Wikimedia Foundation > User:Jmorgan (WMF) <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jmorgan_(WMF)> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki-research-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > >
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