Another point not touched on by other commenters is that even if ideal race / ethnicity question(s were developed for every country in the world, users from some countries commonly disguise their country due to censorship in that country, so we there would be a whole class of systematic errors where we asked users the wrong country's question(s).
cheers stuart -- ...let us be heard from red core to black sky On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 at 05:00, Isaac Johnson <is...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > > Adding another point from Rebecca Maung who helps run the annual Community > Insights surveys <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Insights> but > isn't currently on this listserv so couldn't respond directly: > > This year's Community Insights survey (reporting scheduled for early 2021) > is the first that will ask Wikimedia contributors about race and > ethnicity-- but only in certain geographies. Due to all the excellent > points made in this thread, we have never asked a race or ethnicity > question, but this year we decided to start asking locally relevant > questions where we could. This year only editors in the US and Britain will > see a question about race or ethnicity, tailored to their local contexts. > In the coming years, we will expand the countries and geographies that see > a question like this, prioritizing places where there is a larger editor > presence and local laws and norms allow such questions. We have not yet > discussed asking about religion in the Community Insights survey. > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 9:20 AM Isaac Johnson <is...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > As pointed out by others, the highly contextualized nature of religion, > > race, and ethnicity between countries makes it very difficult to impossible > > to craft questions that are not overly reductive but still somewhat > > universal. Despite this challenge, understanding diversity in a way that > > captures these aspects is obviously quite important as they often figure > > very strongly into power and representation within history, media, etc. > > > > In general, if you're looking for large-scale surveys of editors, the Meta > > category (Category:Editor surveys > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Editor_surveys>) is actually > > quite complete (same for readers > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Reader_surveys>). In > > particular, I wrote what little I could find about these topics into this > > section of our recently published knowledge gaps taxonomy: > > https://arxiv.org/pdf/2008.12314.pdf#subsubsection.3.1.7 > > > > The April 2011 editor survey took the approach of just asking people how > > they felt they were different from others in the community -- this specific > > question is not one that I would advocate today (asking people to identify > > all the ways in which they may be "outsiders" is not particularly > > welcoming) but this is also probably the style of approach (asking people > > how well they feel represented within Wikipedia content or editor > > community) that you'd have to take to get information on ethnicity / race / > > religion without writing country-specific questions: > > https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Editor_Survey_Report_-_April_2011.pdf#page=65 > > > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 6:12 AM Stuart A. Yeates <syea...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> The ethnicity / race question is an incredibly hard question to > >> compose in an internationalised way. > >> > >> Pretty much every country in the world uses different terms and there > >> are some very confusing cases where the same term is used in different > >> countries to mean very different things (e,g, "Asian" in UK English vs > >> New Zealand English). This is derived from varying legal definitions > >> (for example blood quantum vs one-drop laws); the history of > >> colonisation and waves of immigration to the country; along with > >> cultural differences. > >> > >> cheers > >> stuart > >> -- > >> ...let us be heard from red core to black sky > >> > >> On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 at 21:55, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemow...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > Su-Laine Brodsky, 21/09/20 08:19: > >> > > I’m wondering if any large-scale surveys have been done that ask > >> Wikipedia editors about their race, ethnicity, or religion? > >> > > >> > What international standards exist to phrase such questions? > >> > Denominations commonly used in surveys in one country may be considered > >> > horrific or even illegal in others. > >> > > >> > I see OECD considers it a difficult problem too: > >> > > >> > ---- > >> > > >> > 76. Current NSOs collection practices cluster around three broad > >> > categories: 1) all OECD countries collect information on some diversity > >> > proxies such as country of birth (36 OECD members); 2) a small majority, > >> > mostly Eastern European countries, the United Kingdom and Ireland, > >> > gather additional information on race and ethnicity (16 OECD members); > >> > and 3) only a handful of countries in the Americas and Oceania collect > >> > data on indigenous identity (6 OECD members). Diversity statistics are > >> > collected from the perspective of either enumerating the size of the > >> > relevant populations (typically in the census) or of comparing > >> > well-being outcomes across different population groups. > >> > > >> > 77. While privacy and human rights legislation sometimes prevents or > >> > discourages the routine collection of diversity data, the need to > >> > improve data availability and quality is being recognised in most > >> > countries. Many countries are piloting the addition of new ethnic > >> > response options to more accurately reflect the make-up of their > >> > societies (e.g. Ireland, the United States), while Belgium is > >> > considering allowing collection of race and ethnicity data within the > >> > restrictions imposed by the national legal framework. Within the > >> > European Statistical System, the inclusion of more detailed migration > >> > information is also being considered: The Framework Regulation for > >> > Production of European Statistics on Persons and Households European > >> > foresees the incorporation of questions on the country of birth of the > >> > respondent’s parents in the Labour Force Surveys (from 2020), the > >> > European Health Interview Survey, the European Union Statistics on > >> > Income and Living Conditions, the Household Budget Surveys and the > >> > Community surveys on ICT usage in households and by individuals. The > >> > European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights is pursuing its Roma and > >> > Travellers Survey to collect comparable data in six selected Member > >> > States in 2018 (FRA, 2018[77]). > >> > > >> > ---- > >> > > >> > > >> https://www.oecd.org/officialdocuments/publicdisplaydocumentpdf/?cote=SDD/DOC(2018)9&docLanguage=En > >> > > >> > Federico > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Wiki-research-l mailing list > >> > Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wiki-research-l mailing list > >> Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > >> > > > > > > -- > > Isaac Johnson (he/him/his) -- Research Scientist -- Wikimedia Foundation > > > > > -- > Isaac Johnson (he/him/his) -- Research Scientist -- Wikimedia Foundation > _______________________________________________ > Wiki-research-l mailing list > Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l _______________________________________________ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
