That is SO much better. I'll actually switch mine from monobook when it is
released. Great job!

On 7/26/07, John Q <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Wanted to give you an idea of what the latest designs look like... we
> spent *a lot* of time trying all sorts of variations to reduce the size
> of the header and take into account a lot of the other feedback we got.
>
> To be honest, doing this was pretty hard. There's the stuff you guys
> needed us to do and the stuff we needed to do for future features and
> growth... and trying to get all of that to fit in, look ok, and function
> pretty well took a while of rev and rev and rev. At this point, the
> feedback I'm looking for is if we've missed anything major. I'm pretty
> sure I got everything... the header size is reduced, the wiki logo is in
> a more prominent position again, the article comes back up the page,
> we're over to the right and in the footer.
>
> Probably the biggest change is to the dimensions of the wiki logo... I
> asked around among some admins whether whether dimensional changes there
> were even a viable option and everyone said they were open to it, so we
> went forward with that (more detail on this later). Below you'll find a
> summary of the various things...
>
> Header
> ---------
>
> Previously, the header size was constrained by two things... the Wikia
> logo and the 150px-high wiki logo itself.
>
>   - Wikia logo now on the right.
>   - Key wiki links moved into more prominent position. Four main links
> common to all wikis, four custom links, additional custom links can be
> in a sidebar box.
>   - We still have top content links for visitors (click rates indicate
> they did find them useful)... but in a box that's dismissable for users.
>   - Wiki logo reduced vertically but extended horizontally. The
> dimensional area is a bit larger than the typical 130x150 logo size.
> We'll start helping some wikis translate their logo into the new space
> but it's too much work for us to do everything, so I've also been in
> touch with a community member about spearheading a group to help with
> logos (either missing logos or translating them to this new dimension)
> and we're looking into programmatic solutions, too. I hope to be able to
> announce something there soon.
>
> Article, ad, and footer
> ----------------------
>
>   - The article controls come back around the article. There is no "This
> Article" box.
>   - Recent changes, special pages, etc. are in the tools box. That box
> can be moved higher.
>   - We have a 300x100 ad on there now for logged-in users and will still
> have the 300x250 for visitors. We still have some playing around to do
> to figure out if the 300x100's are viable. We might split it in two or
> it might go back to the 180x150... no answer yet until the testing is
> done.
>   - Also, we spotted some really annoying ads on the site recently
> (audio or continuous distracting movement) and we shut off that ad
> provider until they fixed it. We do need ads to survive and grow (I can
> hear the collective sigh from here) but we're trying to be civil about it.
>   - We have our footer and some link columns down at the bottom. We use
> these for a variety of purposes including link exchanges to get your
> wiki on other good sites to bring in traffic and users for you. We'll
> get a page in place so that you have links of your choosing in one of
> these columns.
>
>
> Coming soon
> -----------------
>
>   - There will be one skin name and people will be able to choose
> between a "custom" color scheme and 12 preset color schemes (including
> slate/smoke). Choosing "custom" will just pull the CSS from
> "skinname.css" like normal. Choosing a preset color scheme is for those
> who want some color but don't want to learn CSS just yet. Admins will be
> able to set the default new skin color schemes (one of the 12 or custom)
> for their visitors. We also envision a page on http://inside.wikia.com
> where we can have galleries of user submitted choices ...similar to
> what's found on wikimedia sites and then admins or users can just
> cut-n-paste that code when they choose "custom".
>
> As I said above, getting all the elements to fit comfortably wasn't
> easy... so at this point we're looking for major omissions in
> functionality from the previous version of this skin rather than small
> tweaks to fonts/colors/spacing/etc.
>
> Looking forward to hearing what you think. :)
>
> Thanks,
> John Q.
>
>
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