Hi Sebastian,

Good point... we will do better at this. There are times, though, where 
we get reports of a new extension have unexpected side-effects and, 
depending on the severity, we'll just turn it off as was done here.

As for notification, I was going to send out a notification today (to 
this list) about a change we'll be doing to skin cookies next week. Back 
when we introduced the V2 skin, we tried to be as careful as we could to 
keep established Wikians on their current skin choice (typically 
monobook) and so we were setting cookies so that you'd see what you 
expected to see whether logged in or logged out. The cookies also 
remembered, per user/visitor, if V2 was the skin to show or not. Now, 
though, these cookies can, in some cases, show you something other than 
what you expect when transitioning from logged in to logged out.

So next week we're going to be cleaning this up so that the logic is 
more straightforward. Basically, we're going to eliminate all the skin 
cookies that we've kept and just reduce this down to one cookie that 
remembers your skin preference (whether logged in or logged out). That 
way people who choose monobook as their preference will still see 
monobook when they come to the site. Ditto for other skin and color 
theme choices.

In doing this, we are erring on the side of trying to keep people who 
want monobook on monobook. However, there may be cases where you might 
seem something other than you expect and, if this happens to you, we ask 
that you please just go into your preferences and set it back. This 
isn't a nefarious plot to try to get monobook users over to V2. :)  We 
just have identified a couple of scenarios in which it might happen... 
but we're working to reduce the effect as much as possible.

Also ... not everyone is on this mailing list and not everyone even has 
an email address in our system... so we've been working on a way to 
broadcast messages (such as the above) to everyone to let them know 
about system issues, newly released features, etc. The idea is to have 
the equivalent of a site-wide notice that is dismissable ... but it only 
shows up on your talk page. That way you can dismiss these messages or 
keep them around for reference if you want. Other people do not see 
these messages on your talk page... only you. Early next week I want to 
send out the note about the skin cookie changes via this mechanism. 
We're testing it right now.

Thanks,
John Q.


Sebastian Menge wrote:
> Am Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:47:56 +1000 schrieb beesley-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w:
>   
>> The problem was caused by an upgrade which was not compatible with
>> previous version.
>>     
>
> Im sorry, but I must complain once more. Im not sure if our wiki was 
> affected by this, but it's the way of doing maintanance im not ok with.
>
> Im glad, you enhance the functionality, build better skins, make the 
> whole thing more stable.
>
> But I would really encourage you to send mails like
>
> "
> Tomorrow between 03:00 and 04:00 GMT, we will upgrade to a new version of 
> skin/plugin/mediawiki v.0123, due to this and that effect. 
>
> It might come to minor slowness of this and that server
>
> Please report if everything works as expected, and sorry for the 
> inconvenience.
>
> "
>
> **before** the actual upgrade.
>
> This is a system with dozens of users, wikis and admins, please do not 
> simply install things, without telling us.
>
> Thanks, Sebastian.
>
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