--- Comment #21 from ---
(In reply to Erwin Dokter from comment #20)
> OK, this discussion is not going to end in the next couple of hundred years,
> partly because I will never understand what is really going on. 

Do you want to pop onto IRC (#mediawiki-parsoid) sometime and chat with us
about this? We can then post the summary here after that. It might be simpler
to figure this out in a more interactive discussion than is possible via
bugzilla comments. I am going to be signing off for the day shortly, but the
IRC channel is usually active between 9 am PST - 4 pm PST when most of us are

> I still
> don't know where parsoid is getting its HTML from. Can't be from the browser
> DOM; that has gone through Tidy. 

No, Parsoid generates the HTML as I indicated in Comment 16. In the case of
Visual Editor use, VE then sends that HTML (alongwith any user edits) to
Parsoid to convert back to wikitext.

Since Parsoid HTML will replace PHP parser HTML at some point in the
foreseeable future (this year possibly), if anything requires these newlines to
be present for functionality, Parsoid will also have to add them and that is
what we are complaining about so far.

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