https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30208
Erik Moeller <[email protected]> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |[email protected] --- Comment #43 from Erik Moeller <[email protected]> 2011-09-14 01:50:31 UTC --- Hi everyone, and thanks for your patience. As you can see from all the previous discussion on the bug, on-wiki, and on the mailing lists, there are some strong reservations about this proposal. As the closing statement of the Request for Comment on the trial noted, both sides on this issue believe that what they’re doing will lead to greater openness and constructive participation in Wikipedia. And, the Board has asked us all to work together to promote and increase the openness of Wikimedia projects. We understand the goals of the autoconfirmed trial as stated: - - - 1) This would reduce the workload on New Page Patrollers; 2) New users would be "bitten" less due to the resulting reduction in stress on the part of those most in contact with them; 3) New users are less likely to be disenchanted by their article being deleted 4) Autoconfirmed users with 10 edits to existing articles would enjoy an easier learning curve than trying to create an encyclopedic article with their first edit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)/Proposal_to_require_autoconfirmed_status_in_order_to_create_articles - - - Implicit in these goals are a desire to promote learning how to create a new article, a desire to reduce biting of new editors, and a desire to reduce the workload of new page patrollers. Not stated, but assumed, is a desire to maintain and increase the quality of Wikipedia articles. However, we believe that creating a restriction of this type is a strong a statement of exclusion, not inclusion, and that it will confuse and deter good faith editors. Instead of trying to address many different issues by means of a simple but potentially highly problematic permission change, we believe that in order to create a friendly, welcoming and understandable experience for new editors, we need to apply an iterative, multi-prong approach, including but not limited to: * simplifying the actual workflow of new article creation and reducing instruction creep * experimenting with alternative models to provide new users with safe spaces for new article development * connecting new users with experienced mentors faster. I’d like to invite the people who’ve commented on the bug and who have worked hard to think about our options to continue to do so on-wiki in collaboration with those of us at the Wikimedia Foundation. We’ve worked up a shortlist of ideas to significantly improve the process for creating articles on Wikipedia for everyone. Your thoughts are most welcome: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ArticleCreationWorkflow I’m sure you’ll find some of the ideas in the proposed flow problematic, but please also tell us which parts make sense to you. Please look especially at the “Future Phases” section of the page, as we think it’ll take iteration to optimize across all variables we care about: getting more quality content, recruiting and retaining excellent contributors, and reducing new page patroller workload. Because this issue isn’t limited to the English Wikipedia, we’d like to ask you to comment on MediaWiki.org, where we will invite folks from other language editions to participate in the conversation as well. There are some very interesting experiences that we should learn from, including, for example, an experiment with article incubation in the Russian Wikipedia. Thanks for all your efforts to make Wikipedia better, and sorry for the long silence. We absolutely hope that we can move forward in partnership. WMF is prepared to invest effort (software development, design, research) to help get this right. We don’t have unlimited resources, but we can help :-). Let’s try to come up with the best experience for article creation that we can, to build a better encyclopedia and grow and nurture a healthy, diverse community. All the best, Erik -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. _______________________________________________ Wikibugs-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
