https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30208
--- Comment #45 from Snottywong <[email protected]> 2011-09-14 03:52:17 UTC --- (In reply to comment #43) > However, we believe that creating a restriction of this type is a strong a > statement of exclusion, not inclusion, and that it will confuse and deter good > faith editors. On what data are you basing this opinion? The specific way that new editors will respond to various interface changes is an extremely chaotic phenomenon, and it would be naive to believe that anyone could accurately predict the result of this change without any experimental data. Why is the WMF so resistant to implementing a brief trial so that we can base our opinions on facts rather than gut reactions? Even if we implemented the trial for a shorter period of time than 6 months, at least we would have some real information on which to base these important decisions. The proper time and place for WMF to refuse to implement this change would be AFTER the trial is over, when you can point to specific data and say, "We don't like this specific effect that we observed in the trial, and therefore we're not going to implement this change permanently." Who could argue with that? But to refuse to even implement a brief trial to gather information is inconceivable. And to point us to a hastily thrown-together workpage on mediawiki which was created yesterday (and whose ideas are also based on no real data whatsoever) as an alternative to implementing this trial is insulting. I assume that Erik speaks for the WMF with his response above (correct me if I'm wrong), and the response makes it crystal clear to me that WMF is not willing to entertain this widely endorsed trial. Needless to say, this is about as disappointing as it gets. I don't plan on continuing the begging and pleading, you've made it more than clear that you're not willing to listen. In closing, the WMF seems very concerned about how new editors are treated. Perhaps they should also consider how they treat their experienced editors who have volunteered for years. I fully realize now the extent to which the wool has been pulled over my eyes; it makes me look differently upon the hours I've spent volunteering my time here, and there isn't much else that's a stronger disincentive to continue contributing. I wish you good luck in your attempts to solve the problem by other means. I hope for everyone's sake that the WMF knows better than the 500 experienced editors who supported this trial. I don't plan on contributing to this discussion any further (unless there is a sudden change of heart), but other en-wiki editors may wish to continue discussing this with you. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. _______________________________________________ Wikibugs-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
