Emijrp The storage limit of the sever is a great point. In biomedicine is this also of importance - see e.g. the second generation sequencing data. One might need to go together with NIH and eventually Google to discuss this matter. As a first effort might be a doable focused database desirable. In order not to overload Wikidata server one might need to limit. However, in my opinion need the problem I sketched to be solved. If no solution can be found we might soon reach a point where it does make no sense to continue to collect new biomedical data. At a beginning point this discussion might be very theoretical, because many researchers still stuck to the 300 year old publication model. They do this out of fear for their career.A high impact journal paper results in a tax payer financed academic position. Thus their will be at the beginning a limited number of scientists who will comply and submit open access their raw data in real time. However, if this will be a successfully system, there will be for sure more founding for storage place on a server. The US government has just announced their support research on big data.
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 7:13 PM, emijrp <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm not sure if that kind of data will be desirable at Wikidata (not my > personal opinion, just thinking about community). > > For example, a lot of city articles contain info about temperature and > precipitation[1], but, are we going to import into Wikidata all the > temperature values from 1900 to present? (daily averages? minute-by minute?) > > I don't know what are the limits of Wikidata, but, we need some limits to > work, probably. > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrid#Climate > > > 2012/4/4 Leukippos Institute <[email protected]> > >> Hi Sridhar, >> >> Nice to hear from you. I hope we can find many scientist to discuss this >> with us. We need a wide support from the scientific community, because we >> need to agree on a standardized format for data submission. >> >> I would like to know what other scientist think about the semantic web >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_Web >> as a structure to build a common data pool in which we publish directly >> our data? >> >> I had an interesting discussion with David >> Bikard<http://www.facebook.com/david.bikard> on >> this subject on G+ Have a look here http://bit.ly/GWdmX4 >> >> David provided some interesting links: >> http://biocyc.org/ >> http://linkeddata.org/ >> http://semanticweb.org/ >> stackexchange.com >> >> Best >> Gerd >> >> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Sridhar Gutam <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Gerd and brought out an important discussion. there is lots of >>> data underutilized in agricultural research too. under the current research >>> on climate change, we need to bring out the data stored in individual >>> desktops and published literature for meaningful analysis. >>> >>> I am also looking for the opportunity work with the community on >>> development of platforms, mechanisms and advocay for open access to data. >>> >>> wikidata project would be best to work with... >>> >>> sridhar >>> __________________________________________________________ >>> Sridhar Gutam PhD, ARS, Patent Laws (NALSAR), IP & Biotech. (WIPO) >>> Senior Scientist (Plant Physiology) >>> Central Institute for Subtropical Horticulture <http://www.cishlko.org> >>> Rehmankhera, Kakori Post >>> Lucknow 227107, Uttar Pradesh, India >>> Phone: +91-522-2841022/23/24; Fax: +91-522-2841025 >>> Mobile:+91-9005760036/8005346136 >>> <https://www.facebook.com/gutamsridhar> >>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/sridhargutam> >>> <http://twitter.com/gutam2000><http://works.bepress.com/sridhar_gutam/rss.html> >>> >>> >>> On 4 April 2012 19:42, Leukippos Institute < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> I am a synthetic biologist. I see big changes in the way we do science >>>> and how we will publish in the future. >>>> >>>> I see a huge need to publish all scientific data (especially raw data) >>>> in a common free accessible data pool. This data should be machine >>>> readable. We face in science huge data amounts, huge number of >>>> publications. Nobody is longer able to read all the literature. We >>>> need a computer assisted system to analyze these data and develop >>>> novel concepts from them. We need a structuring of these data on a >>>> higher abstraction level. We need to be able to go from abstraction to >>>> detail. >>>> >>>> Thus I see the Wiki data project of potentially big value for >>>> scientist. I would like that this project could serve in that manner >>>> the scientific community and provide standards for submission of data >>>> for scientist. Any plans in this direction? >>>> >>>> A bit more about the reasons, why I find this very important: >>>> >>>> I would summarize the upcoming trend in science as this: From >>>> Hypothesis to Data-Driven Research, or the End of the Age of Science, >>>> and the Dawn of the Age of Systemics. We can observe a paradigm change >>>> in science, and two computer developments are responsible. The first >>>> is the enormous storage capacity in the cloud. The second is that a >>>> huge number of computers have been connected and organized in social >>>> networks. These changes have resulted in huge quantities of data and >>>> complex systems, a problem normal science cannot solve. The >>>> traditional hypothesis method can deal with simple correlations >>>> between A and B. But the method fails if the problem becomes more >>>> complex. Science has been synonymous with a separating, reductionistic >>>> approach. Contemporary science has come to a point where we will >>>> change the perspective from reductionism to holism. We now move to a >>>> position that sees things together: short systemics. The data-driven >>>> science approach changes the scientific method and results in a >>>> practice called "science 2.0" (named after web 2.0). "Science" will >>>> happen in the cloud, with new publishing formats such as direct >>>> publishing on blogs and direct publishing of our data in a human and >>>> computer readable database, new and fast ways of collaboration in >>>> social networks, and systems theory as the new "science" paradigm. >>>> Systems theory is already important in fields such as systems biology >>>> and its practical application synthetic biology.see NextGen VOICES, >>>> Science 6 January 2012: vol. 335 no. 6064 pp. 36-38 DOI: >>>> 10.1126/science.335.6064.36 >>>> http://www.sciencemag.org/content/335/6064/36/suppl/DC1 >>>> >>>> Best >>>> Gerd >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > >
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