Great comments! Thank you. I think that the storage capacity might be not such a big problem at all. The data can be stored on the respective scientists webpage and a pointer could be used. Only the pointer needs to be stored on the server. I personally think that there is a need for a semantic web for scientist. I do not fight any journal or institution. There is no need. Neither that a big name supports this. The need is real, because the traditional scientific concept can not deal with big data. If this is usefully the concept will speak for itself. I know already many people who wish this novel kind of publication. In respect to the question of review: Maybe we do not need the traditional reviewer. I think of post publication review in a social network context.
I still hope that Wikidata can offer a place for scientists. If anybody has specific interest to work more on this subject, please let me know. I will try in any case continue to work on a semantic web for scientists. On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 8:57 PM, emijrp <[email protected]> wrote: > I think that the problem is that Wikidata is not a storage in "the cloud" > for all kind of scientific data. In the same fashion Wikipedia is not a > portal for papers or academic publications, essays, lyrics, etc. Wikidata > scope is not well defined yet, but it will have its limits, for sure. > > > 2012/4/4 Leukippos Institute <[email protected]> > >> Emijrp The storage limit of the sever is a great point. In biomedicine is >> this also of importance - see e.g. the second generation sequencing data. >> One might need to go together with NIH and eventually Google to discuss >> this matter. As a first effort might be a doable focused database >> desirable. In order not to overload Wikidata server one might need to >> limit. However, in my opinion need the problem I sketched to be solved. If >> no solution can be found we might soon reach a point where it does make no >> sense to continue to collect new biomedical data. At a beginning point this >> discussion might be very theoretical, because many researchers still stuck >> to the 300 year old publication model. They do this out of fear for their >> career.A high impact journal paper results in a tax payer financed academic >> position. Thus their will be at the beginning a limited number of >> scientists who will comply and submit open access their raw data in real >> time. However, if this will be a successfully system, there will be for >> sure more founding for storage place on a server. The US government has >> just announced their support research on big data. >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 7:13 PM, emijrp <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I'm not sure if that kind of data will be desirable at Wikidata (not my >>> personal opinion, just thinking about community). >>> >>> For example, a lot of city articles contain info about temperature and >>> precipitation[1], but, are we going to import into Wikidata all the >>> temperature values from 1900 to present? (daily averages? minute-by minute?) >>> >>> I don't know what are the limits of Wikidata, but, we need some limits >>> to work, probably. >>> >>> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrid#Climate >>> >>> >>> 2012/4/4 Leukippos Institute <[email protected]> >>> >>>> Hi Sridhar, >>>> >>>> Nice to hear from you. I hope we can find many scientist to discuss >>>> this with us. We need a wide support from the scientific community, because >>>> we need to agree on a standardized format for data submission. >>>> >>>> I would like to know what other scientist think about the semantic web >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_Web >>>> as a structure to build a common data pool in which we publish directly >>>> our data? >>>> >>>> I had an interesting discussion with David >>>> Bikard<http://www.facebook.com/david.bikard> on >>>> this subject on G+ Have a look here http://bit.ly/GWdmX4 >>>> >>>> David provided some interesting links: >>>> http://biocyc.org/ >>>> http://linkeddata.org/ >>>> http://semanticweb.org/ >>>> stackexchange.com >>>> >>>> Best >>>> Gerd >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Sridhar Gutam <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Gerd and brought out an important discussion. there is lots of >>>>> data underutilized in agricultural research too. under the current >>>>> research >>>>> on climate change, we need to bring out the data stored in individual >>>>> desktops and published literature for meaningful analysis. >>>>> >>>>> I am also looking for the opportunity work with the community on >>>>> development of platforms, mechanisms and advocay for open access to data. >>>>> >>>>> wikidata project would be best to work with... >>>>> >>>>> sridhar >>>>> __________________________________________________________ >>>>> Sridhar Gutam PhD, ARS, Patent Laws (NALSAR), IP & Biotech. (WIPO) >>>>> Senior Scientist (Plant Physiology) >>>>> Central Institute for Subtropical Horticulture<http://www.cishlko.org> >>>>> Rehmankhera, Kakori Post >>>>> Lucknow 227107, Uttar Pradesh, India >>>>> Phone: +91-522-2841022/23/24; Fax: +91-522-2841025 >>>>> Mobile:+91-9005760036/8005346136 >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/gutamsridhar> >>>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/sridhargutam> >>>>> <http://twitter.com/gutam2000><http://works.bepress.com/sridhar_gutam/rss.html> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 4 April 2012 19:42, Leukippos Institute < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi! >>>>>> >>>>>> I am a synthetic biologist. I see big changes in the way we do science >>>>>> and how we will publish in the future. >>>>>> >>>>>> I see a huge need to publish all scientific data (especially raw data) >>>>>> in a common free accessible data pool. This data should be machine >>>>>> readable. We face in science huge data amounts, huge number of >>>>>> publications. Nobody is longer able to read all the literature. We >>>>>> need a computer assisted system to analyze these data and develop >>>>>> novel concepts from them. We need a structuring of these data on a >>>>>> higher abstraction level. We need to be able to go from abstraction to >>>>>> detail. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thus I see the Wiki data project of potentially big value for >>>>>> scientist. I would like that this project could serve in that manner >>>>>> the scientific community and provide standards for submission of data >>>>>> for scientist. Any plans in this direction? >>>>>> >>>>>> A bit more about the reasons, why I find this very important: >>>>>> >>>>>> I would summarize the upcoming trend in science as this: From >>>>>> Hypothesis to Data-Driven Research, or the End of the Age of Science, >>>>>> and the Dawn of the Age of Systemics. We can observe a paradigm change >>>>>> in science, and two computer developments are responsible. The first >>>>>> is the enormous storage capacity in the cloud. The second is that a >>>>>> huge number of computers have been connected and organized in social >>>>>> networks. These changes have resulted in huge quantities of data and >>>>>> complex systems, a problem normal science cannot solve. The >>>>>> traditional hypothesis method can deal with simple correlations >>>>>> between A and B. But the method fails if the problem becomes more >>>>>> complex. Science has been synonymous with a separating, reductionistic >>>>>> approach. Contemporary science has come to a point where we will >>>>>> change the perspective from reductionism to holism. We now move to a >>>>>> position that sees things together: short systemics. The data-driven >>>>>> science approach changes the scientific method and results in a >>>>>> practice called "science 2.0" (named after web 2.0). "Science" will >>>>>> happen in the cloud, with new publishing formats such as direct >>>>>> publishing on blogs and direct publishing of our data in a human and >>>>>> computer readable database, new and fast ways of collaboration in >>>>>> social networks, and systems theory as the new "science" paradigm. >>>>>> Systems theory is already important in fields such as systems biology >>>>>> and its practical application synthetic biology.see NextGen VOICES, >>>>>> Science 6 January 2012: vol. 335 no. 6064 pp. 36-38 DOI: >>>>>> 10.1126/science.335.6064.36 >>>>>> http://www.sciencemag.org/content/335/6064/36/suppl/DC1 >>>>>> >>>>>> Best >>>>>> Gerd >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > >
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