Hoi,
For the record, what I do for the Wikidata project I do in my own time ..
Thanks,
Gerard
On 13 June 2012 21:34, <[email protected]> wrote:
> **
>
> Gerard,
>
> Sure there's plenty of people who can build a prototype application of
> this sort -- most people pay mortgages though so it'd be nice (if not
> required) to get compensated for such work, as you & the wikidata team are.
>
> re the wikidata excuse: it's wise to change one's heading before one's
> lost. Personally I think anyone creating an smw-based extension will do so
> far more swiftly (and cheaply) than what the wikidata team currently has in
> mind, ie, to rewrite SMW (and various of its extensions) almost from
> scratch. I have proposed the outline of such an application at
> [[meta:wikitopics]]. I'm even convinced that the SMW-based application as
> proposed will be faster operationally.
>
> John
>
> On 13.06.2012 00:52, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>
> Hoi,
> There are several points WHY a centrally administered info box makes
> sense. The most important one can be found in what the Wikimedia Foundation
> aims to achieve: Imagine a world in which every single human being can
> freely share in the sum of all knowledge [1]]. This is what we are about,
> everything that prevents this from happening are excuses
> When you consider the number of articles in most Wikipedias, it is easy to
> see that the English Wikipedia has more info boxes then many of them have
> articles. By providing the facility to have centrally maintained info
> boxes, these info boxes will be extremely light weight as both the
> information and the labels will be maintained in Wikidata. The result is
> information that is available for localisation. This localisation consists
> of translating the labels and possibly the information items. I blogged
> about this in the past ... [2]
> I am an advisor to the Wikidata project and as such it is my job to make
> these arguments. Denny is the project manager for the Wikidata project and
> it is his job to ensure that his team will deliver on the agreed
> deliverables. Having centrally maintained templates is not part of what his
> team has agreed to or can be expected to deliver in the short term. This is
> a valid excuse; it is valid for now.
> An excuse for the Wikidata development team does not prevent other people
> from developing this functionality in stead. The basic requirement is for
> Wikidata to be able to have translatable data items associated with a
> Wikipedia article. As each of those items are uniquely identified, they can
> be identified in a template. This template should only refer to the data
> items.
> When this functionality is developed, the basic functionality is ready to
> consider the use of such templates for real in Wikidata clients.
> I am confident that there are plenty people who have the expertise to make
> a functional prototype. Such a prototype can be reviewed by any MediaWiki
> reviewer for the usual MediaWiki criteria. When this is done, it is no
> longer an unreasonable burden for the Wikidata team to consider the
> functionality of such prototypes.
> Thanks,
> Gerard
> [1] www.wikimediafoundation.org
> [2] http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2012/05/wmdevdays-wikidata.html
>
>
> On 13 June 2012 00:03, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Denny said: On the other hand, you are not the only person thinking
>> that this (Wikitopics) is a good idea (hello Gerard!), and in the long run
>> Wikidata could be extended to such a system -- but for now I regard this to
>> be out of scope for Wikidata and I will not devote resources for this. *It
>> can be added later anyway*.
>>
>> Denny,
>>
>> I never see the long-run! Anyway, to get real, be aware there are
>> specific concerns about [[wikidata]] within the SMW community in the here
>> and now:
>>
>> * we worry that our sites are threatened by virtual cessation of SMW
>> development -- this may already be happening a bit as SMW subjectively
>> seems to be encountering quality control issues lately
>>
>> * we worry that, whenever we install the [[Wikidata]] extension, then the
>> performance of client sites will be affected by the burden of multiple
>> forms, query and format software modules, syntaxes, styles, artifacts etc
>>
>> * we worry that, since no specific problems experienced by wiki-users
>> have yet been identified that [[Wikidata]] will "fix", in the end,
>> [[wikidata]] is doomed for not creating stakeholders within the wiki-user
>> community that includes SMW developers.
>>
>> jmc
>>
>>
>>
>>
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