I agree. While redirects may be useful in the context of normal wiki pages and help pages, they are counterproductive otherwise and must not be used. Can we not permit / disallow redirects per-namespace via Wiki configuration? Purodha
"Gerard Meijssen" <[email protected]> writes: Hoi, I seriously fail to see how an example how Wikidata can be abused is a good thing. Redirects are imho seriously stupid. They are utterly Wikipedia centric and they introduce new things that do not exist. a redirect page to three pages is also called an disambiguation page.. We do support them. They are not redirects. When a redirect page refers to an article by another name, it only takes a label to add the needed link to the subject Seriously WHY ARE WE EVEN TALKING ABOUT THIS? Thanks, GerardM On 14 October 2014 23:22, James Heald <[email protected]> wrote:Creating sitelinks to redirects: As I understand it, the classic workaround for this is to * go to client wiki, * edit the page temporarily so that it is not a redirect * add a sitelink * edit the page again to turn it back into a redirect. Thus, at least as I understand it, there is no overwhelming technical barrier to creating a sitelink to a redirect. Looking back through the archives of Project Chat, it seems to be a perennial thing that we ought to permit sitelinks to redirects, eg most recently at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Should_all_occupations_be_separate_items_from_their_skills.3F[https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Should_all_occupations_be_separate_items_from_their_skills.3F] which led to Kaldari filing Bugzilla: 71859 But I'm not quite sure exactly what he wants solved, if sitelinks to redirects are /already/ possible. (Albeit requiring the slightly roundabout process above). Perhaps what is needed is just a concerted RfC, to confirm once and for all that it is indeed the community view that such sitelinks are useful, and should be created. But there are a couple of things it would be nice to have, to confirm the practice: * A badge (eg the letter R on a red disc) to indicate that the sitelink to language xx is linking to a redirect, not a primary article. * On an item, a new property "redirected to", taking another item as its object, and the identity of the wiki as a qualifier. After that, we should go out creating this redirects on client wikis en masse, and site-linking them. This would solve a huge number of issues we currently have, where wiki A has lots of little articles, whereas wiki B has the same content all in sections of one article; or where wiki A and wiki B have chosen different primary items for their treatment of a field. (For example: the profession 'hatmaker' or the activity 'hatmaking'). Allowing and encouraging sitelinks to redirect is the key to keeping a clean item structure on Wikidata, while still connecting readers to the most relevant pages in their preferred alternative languages. -- James. On 14/10/2014 21:00, Jane Darnell wrote:nope On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Smolenski Nikola <[email protected][[email protected]]> wrote: Citiranje Jane Darnell <[email protected][[email protected]]>:2) There is no way of making an interwikilink for a redirect, and the German Wikipedia's "afrikanische Pflaume" is currently a redirect to "Prunus" You should still be able to make an interwiki link for a redirect the old way, are you not? _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list [email protected][[email protected]] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list [email protected][[email protected]] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list [email protected][[email protected]] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l_______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l[https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l] _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
