Hi Jane,

> I don't think there is any Wikimedia project that actively deletes redirects.

You don't have to believe me. Just check the delete logs. There are tens of 
thousands of deleted redirects. Because they were cluttering "Allpages" lists. 
Because they were common spelling mistakes and "we do not support mistaken 
spellings". Because
 
> people also use redirects as a way of "bundling concepts" 

in a wrong way (Looking for a scientific term and landing on the vita of the 
scientist whom it is attributed to, for instance, is annoying) ... and so on.

So this redicet idea is not suited for all Wikipedias.

Purodha

 
"Jane Darnell" <jane...@gmail.com> writes:

Purodha,
Redirects are cheap - so cheap in fact, that they take up more space when you 
delete them, so even if they are misspelled or whatever, they are mostly left 
to rot unless they break something (for example when someone wants to use a 
redlink like [[redlink]] and someone else makes a redirect for "redlink"). I 
don't think there is any Wikimedia project that actively deletes redirects.
 
In general, redirects are supposed to be used as alternate names for the same 
thing, and in Wikidata, this is done by typing in alternate labels. Of course 
people also use redirects as a way of "bundling concepts" - just take a look at 
all the redirects to the article for "insurance" for all the types of insurance 
that don't yet have their own article.
 
Before Wikidata there were lots of interwiki links to redirects, and this 
caused multiple issues with unresolvable interwikilinks. Wikidata was invented 
to be able to use persistent identifiers for Wikipedia articles. Now everyone 
is surprised that now the interwikilinks work differently from before. The fact 
that redirects are not supported is by design and not a bug. Going forward, 
instead of making redirects, Wikidatans should just keep creating items in 
Wikidata and let the Wikipedias take care of themselves by letting them create 
articles and redirects in the normal wiki way. It should not be a goal for 
Wikidata to sitelink to every redirect in every Wikipedia, just as it is not a 
goal to sitelink to every image on Wikimedia Commons.
 
The subject at hand in this email thread is that instead of creating an 
article, the user ThurnerRupert made a redirect in the German Wikipedia called 
"afrikanische Pflaume" that links to "Prunus" and expected to be able to 
interwikilink this redirect via the Wikidata item for "African Plum" to the 
French Wikipedia's article for "safou". I would say that Wikidata should not 
support this workflow and it is incorrect editing behavior. This has nothing to 
do with the numbers of redirects or whether or not they need to be deleted by 
anybody.
 
Jane
 
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 6:09 PM, P. Blissenbach <pu...@web.de> wrote:I do not 
mind having huge numbers of redirects at all, but you must be aware that there 
are wikipedias the powers of which will stubbornly and customarily delete such 
redirects when you create them. So that cannot be a solutiion for all.

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