The paper focuses, yet again on Visual Editor. And while I understand that many editors prefer this, any implementation must service both the Visual Editor users as well as the Wiki Markup users.
Again, major concerns. I guess unless I have more off-Wiki conversations about this topic, I will move my concerns to the proposal page. I believe in Wikidata and want to encourage usage -- and am trying to use it more -- but unless you are running queries it's quite frankly a flipping nightmare. I love the idea. Usability, not so much. And I know it is improved and there are many smart people I admire involved in this project. But the lack of buy-in by Wikipedia editors is happening for a reason. Best, - Erika *Erika Herzog* Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle>* On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 8:00 AM, Brill Lyle <wp.brilll...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you for the link to the paper. I will read this as soon as possible. > > Yes. UI is what I care about. Unless it is a floating popup box like for > the Reftoolbar Cites in Wiki Markup I am going to have grave concerns. It > has to be implemented equally well on both Visual Editor and Wiki Markup > interfaces. So well done the casual editor doesn't need to understand the > Wikidata backbone underpinning the info. > > I actually think the grant does not go FAR enough. It needs UI / Wikipedia > end-user integration built into the process from the beginning. A > programming project that is modest and depreciates Infoboxes without the > primary focus on existing end-users is not good enough. > > AND: Funding this grant, does it mean automatic endorsement and > implementation on Wiki? I would be very concerned if this was the case. > > Erika > > On Aug 3, 2016, at 7:49 AM, Lucie Kaffee <lucie.kaf...@wikimedia.de> > wrote: > > Charlie wrote her thesis on how you could integrate Wikidata in Wikipedia, > specifically on Infoboxes, so that might be worth a look when it comes to > this topic, too. > So there is research from the UX perspective and how it'd be able to edit > etc available. > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Facilitating_the_use_of_Wikidata_in_Wikimedia_projects_with_a_user-centered_design_approach.pdf > > On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Yuri Astrakhan <yastrak...@wikimedia.org> > wrote: > >> Erika, would building a better wikidata UI help alleviate your concern? >> For example, it used to be that to add a link to the same article in >> another language, one had to edit raw wiki markup and add a weird language >> link. Now with wikidata it is by far more intuitive, with an edit button >> right next to the list, with an auto-complete and language selector. Could >> we try to build something similar for the infoboxes? >> >> On Aug 3, 2016 2:31 PM, "Brill Lyle" <wp.brilll...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Saw this posted on Twitter. >>> >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Putnik/Wikidata_module >>> >>> This proposal is my greatest fear with Wikidata. Depreciate Infoboxes to >>> Wikidata so casual Wikipedia editors can't edit on Wiki, are forced to use >>> Wikidata (comparable to existing Authority Control depreciation). Huge >>> barrier for Wikipedia end-users. >>> >>> Before I voice my concerns on this Grant page, I wondered if the >>> end-user issue has been discussed here -- and if this could be explained >>> why it is such a good idea? And what user issues have been and could be >>> addressed before the project is implemented. >>> >>> I understand something like this is part of Russian Wikipedia. How did >>> that community respond to this what I see as significant change? >>> >>> - Erika >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata mailing list >>> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata mailing list >> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >> >> > > > -- > Lucie-Aimée Kaffee > Working Student Software Development > > Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin > Phone: +49 (0)30 219 158 26-0http://wikimedia.de > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum > of all knowledge. > That‘s our commitment. > > Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. > Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter > der Nummer 23855 B. > Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, > Steuernummer 27/029/42207. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata mailing list > Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > >
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