Yes. Point taken John. Wow. Thank goodness I use syntax highlighting
#love... but still: Yikes. Here's the link to the page if anyone wants to
dig around the madness.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom

I guess I see a difference between a casual editor wanting to update a
piece of data that can be Ctrl+F searched for among a mass of information
versus battling with P# Wikidata items amongst an endless sea of
chronological elements and curly brackets. But that's just me.

re: this proposal

I think Putnik has been very patient with my concerns and in trying to
answer questions. As have others. I really appreciate it.

I am not satisfied, and the majority of my concerns will not be addressed.
There do not seem to be solutions here that will make me happy. I will be
interested to see how this proposal progresses.

Best,

- Erika


*Erika Herzog*
Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle>*

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 12:12 PM, john cummings <mrjohncummi...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I think its important to make a distinction between what is easiest and
> what people are used to. Perhaps thinking about what new users would find
> easiest might be helpful.
>
> Here is an example of a well developed infobox on English Wikipedia, I
> think that the knowledge needed to edit this is an unreasonable barrier for
> casual, new or even fairly experienced if less technical editors like
> myself.
>
> {{about|the country|its largest island|Great Britain|other uses|United
> Kingdom (disambiguation)|and|UK (disambiguation)}}
> {{pp-semi-indef}}
> {{pp-move-indef}}
> {{Use British English|date=April 2012}}
> {{Use dmy dates|date=July 2016}}
> {{Infobox country
> | name =
>  {{collapsible list
>  |titlestyle=background:transparent;font-size:9pt;
>  |title={{resize|11.5pt|{{nowrap|United Kingdom of Great}}
> {{nowrap|Britain and Northern Ireland}}}}
>  |{{Infobox |subbox=yes |bodystyle=font-size:9pt;font-weight:normal;
>  |rowclass1=mergedrow |label1=[[Cornish language|Cornish]]:
> |data1={{lang|kw|Rywvaneth Unys Breten Veur ha Kledhbarth Iwerdhon}}
>  |rowclass2 =mergedrow |label2=[[Irish language|Irish]]:
> |data2={{lang|ga|Ríocht Aontaithe na Breataine Móire agus Thuaisceart
> Éireann}}
>  |rowclass3=mergedrow |label3=[[Scots language|Scots]]:
> |data3={{lang|sco|Unitit Kinrick o Great Breetain an Northren Ireland}}
>  |rowclass4=mergedrow |label4=[[Ulster Scots dialects|Ulster
> Scots]]:|data4={{lang|sco-UKN|Claught Kängrick o Docht Brätain an Norlin
> Airlann}}
>  |rowclass5=mergedrow |label5=[[Scottish&nbsp;Gaelic]]:
> |data5={{lang|gd|Rìoghachd Aonaichte Bhreatainn is Èireann a Tuath}}
>  |rowclass6=mergedrow |label6=[[Welsh language|Welsh]]:
> |data6={{lang|cy|Teyrnas Unedig Prydain Fawr a Gogledd Iwerddon}}
>  }}
>  }}
>  | common_name = United Kingdom
>
>
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