I think James Heald is on the right track, that we should be thinking about
a different or new property.  This is a valuable thing to track, and we
should work to find a solution that is satisfactory to everyone, and that
lets this positive effort continue.

(Black Lunch Table is a bit of a sui generis, it's an independent
cataloging effort that began off-wiki as a project among artists, but is
mostly wiki-based now.)

Thanks,
Pharos

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 11:21 AM, James Heald <[email protected]> wrote:

> Better to use P4570, or a new bespoke property, since the things these
> people are being tagged to be part of, or participants in, like "Black
> Lunch Table", are not external real-world things, but internal wiki-world
> projects.
>
> It is useful to maintain a distinction between the two -- it helps to
> avoid the confusion that has been the root of the issue with P972.
>
>  -- James.
>
>
>
> On 04/01/2018 16:10, Thad Guidry wrote:
>
>> "relatedness" or "tagging" is typically handled generically in Wikidata
>> through the use of "part of" and "has part" properties.
>> They work terrifically well to apply some generic classification needs
>> such
>> as those of the Black Lunch Table efforts.
>>
>> So, an alternative to the current modeling could be...
>>
>> Are they only persons ?  if so, mark them as "participant of" ->
>> "Q28781198" Black Lunch Table
>> Are the topics needing some "tagging" for classification sometimes more
>> than persons ?  if so, mark them as "part of" -> "Q28781198" Black Lunch
>> Table
>>
>> -Thad
>>
>>
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