I would be very interested in Wikidatas Relation to Cyc <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyc> on one hand and the semantic Web on the other.
Jan Am Fr., 23. Juli 2021 um 01:57 Uhr schrieb Denny Vrandečić < [email protected]>: > Hi Thad, > > Thanks for asking the questions, and thanks Tobi for the pointers. Man, > what a lengthy post it was. > > I understand that the post answered most of your questions. I think that > it is entirely possible to layer a prototype semantics over Wikidata, just > as the DL semantics have been layered over it. I don't remember if such > work has been done before. > > Regarding ISO 5964, I think I probably have looked through it at some > point, but I don't remember it anymore. SKOS has certainly been a stronger > influence, and obviously OWL. > > I hope that helps with the historical deep dive :) Lydia and I really > should write that book! > > Cheers, > Denny > > > > On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 3:00 PM Thad Guidry <[email protected]> wrote: > >> *Tobi - *That blog post 3 is very helpful. It shows that Denny and I >> think alike and agree on everything. :-) His dislike for strong >> classification. >> Which is part of my basis, to allow weak relations much more. And use >> them. But how to allow them, and I think the only way is through >> properties based on the Data Model currently. >> There are many ways, and SKOS is one way to allow expressing weak >> relations and we already have some good support with existing properties >> like P4390 mapping relation type <https://www.wikidata.org/entity/P4390> >> and a host of others. >> >> Denny and I also fear the same things, like not having a flexible enough >> system to describe our complex world that doesn't always fit into strict >> rules. Which is kinda why I've always liked >> https://www.w3.org/TR/skos-primer/#secassociative >> because of it's non-transitivity which allows much flexibility and as he >> and I would say... avoid "Barbara". :-) >> Which is pretty much summarized in >> https://www.w3.org/TR/skos-primer/#secadvanced >> >> Sorry for all the SKOS links but semantic relations helps to describe >> human knowledge. How a system represents or portrays semantic relations is >> where choices are made or have been made. *And I think the right >> choices were definitely made.* >> Overlaying SKOS and the Wikidata properties that sprinkle it into the >> data model is useful, but I've always been kind of reluctant to do >> that...probably for the same reasons Denny might give? Choices between >> allowing "semantic accuracy" versus "semantic flexibility". But I think >> systems like SKOS provide both. Perhaps it could be argued that OWL >> provides much less. :-) Still all KOSs provide great use when they fit >> well. How they can fit over Wikidata, as I said, is probably only through >> properties at this late stage of design and that's fine with me! >> >> Still, my main focus is and always will be trying to add human knowledge >> about concept relations into Wikidata to help machines, to help us. (the >> "edges" that humans quickly can deduce in seconds, but still to this day >> can sometimes take machines days or weeks to figure out). >> >> My usage and help to Abstract Wikipedia and Wikidata later on will >> primarily be around the mapping of relations ... where a lot of the >> possibilities have already been described years and years ago at the very >> bottom of this long page: >> *inter-KOS mapping relationships <-- *very last row, 3rd column >> https://www.w3.org/TR/skos-primer/#seccorrespondencesISO >> >> >> *Denny - * were you part of or lightly influenced by ISO 5964 through >> Germany ISO DIN or not .. that also would be good to know. >> >> Thad >> https://www.linkedin.com/in/thadguidry/ >> https://calendly.com/thadguidry/ >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 3:17 PM Tobi Gritschacher < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> It would be nice to have a place to look with a link to a page in the >>>> Community portal that says "History of Wikidata's design and early >>>> collected meetings, notes, design documents, recordings" >>>> >>> >>> Might not answer your concrete question, but here are some (very) early >>> blog posts by Denny. They are still a nice read. :) >>> >>> 1/3 >>> https://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/02/22/restricting-the-world/ >>> >>> 2/3 >>> https://newwwblog.wikimedia.de/2013/06/04/on-truths-and-lies/ >>> >>> 3/3 >>> https://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/09/12/a-categorical-imperative/ >>> >>> Cheers, Tobi >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata mailing list -- [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata mailing list -- [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > -- Jan Dittrich UX Design/ Research Wikimedia Deutschland e. V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin Tel. 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