Hi Derek,

 Have you had a look at the SimpleTable extension:

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SimpleTable

that is installed on WE?

If should eliminate most of the MW markup for tables in the "entry"
phase you mentioned.

Additionally, there are  a couple of templates that can be used for
quickly creating "blank" tables for  handouts

Template:AnswerBox

Template:AnswerBoxRows

Some information on templates can be found at:
Wikieducator_tutorial/Pedagogical_Templates/Template_syntax

Hope this helps.

Cheers

Rob

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Derek Chirnside
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wow.
> I have three days away from any internet and come back to another swag of
> posts in this dialogue.
> My original comment to brent:
> ==
>
> Point taken Brent.
> BUT:
> Why not an editor to do something at this level.
>
> 1) not break wiki markup
> 2) give access to all else doing the basic 90% stuff.
>
> I know my audience.
> Six things is too much for much of my audience.
>  It's cognitive overload: for some, if you have to concentrate on markup,
> you loose the plot for the writing.
> ==
> Brent's reply:
> hmmm... at some point everyone (well at least most of your audience) learnt
> how and when to use the following:
>
> commas, semicolons, quotes, exclamation marks, parenthesis, question marks,
> and full-stops to designate structure to sentences.
>
> I don't buy it. A couple of million editors of another wiki didn't either.
> ==
> Point taken Brent (although I will reply to this comment separately), but I
> think I didn't quite make myself clear.  (A post bashed off as I went out
> the door on holiday. . .)
>
> Text entry is key - this is where the ideas and the hard work meet.
> Formatting is different.  It is a different act.  Especially the tables bit.
> What I think could turn the tide for my hypothetical users is a WYSIWYG view
> where
>
> you can edit text.  (90% of the use??)
> And add images.
> And format headings, bold and italic
> Upload files This means you could see a nice view with tables
> displayed/images placed right/borders, stylng and lines etc etc etc - which
> is difficult (or at least more difficult) to edit/visualise in classic MW
> markup - for most people.
>
> You then can just edit/think/type the text bit with no impediment to having
> to navigate through the MW markup tables stuff.
>
> It would help us see through the clutter to the text and just edit it - - -
>
> This kind of editor - just a text editor, not a tables editor - should be a
> piece of cake?
>
> -Derek
>
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