Leigh, A very wise observation. And you are correct, at an atomic level, we have very little collaborative work on WE. The whole of WE is a collaborative effort, yet all the individual lessons, materials, modules, etc... are in general created by an individual and rarely edited by another. So you are correct the collaborative editing promise is not coming to be... Maybe the coming generation of contributors will collaborate building upon the complete K12, higher ed, tertiary, etc curriculum when it is available... who knows when that will be... this could make sense given we are of at the start of the whole free curriculum project being available online. We aren't even close to having the basics available and well organized. So maybe the promise of collaborative editing will happen when we are getting closer to having the first complete set of curriculum available... Or maybe the idea of collaboratively creating educational materials needs to become a bigger part of teacher education... Come to think of it, during my masters we never took any courses specifically targeted toward creating collaborative works. I haven't yet come across any materials that really get into teaching people to collaboratively create materials... Maybe this is an OER that is well overdue... upon a review of the recently published OER handbook (http:// www.wikieducator.org/OER_Handbook/educator) there isn't a lot of materials on encouraging collaboration...
Just to think this whole thread started as a celebration of our 300,000 visitor... Peter On Oct 30, 2:45 pm, "Leigh Blackall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alex said: > > Sorry if pushy here but have you > > > considered your approach could be perceived as an imposition itself? > > Criticism is great, and I mean it, but what alternatives do you suggest? > > Ever thought TQF could ease many lives, e.g. qual recognition abroad, which > > can be a real nightmare? > > Yes, of course Alex, I have and do consider the question - often reflecting > on the many years I have spent encouraging (to put it lightly) teachers to > use socially networked media, and arguing for a specific type of change, > namely individual capability and independence, and networked practice. The > question I ask myself is how much my methods align with individuality, and > undermine those of us who value collectiveness. An age old dilemma really - > the individual and the state (and everything in between). > > As for the Transnational Qualification Framework. Anil, Peter and myself > have had interesting discussions about TQF on this list. I must say again, I > don't see TQF relating (yet) to the concerns I have about words to the > effect of one curriculum (which is where this thread started from - relating > to the Wikipedia article about Wikieducator). TQF (if done well) should be > able to support many curricula including ones that have not formed yet, and > include any subject area. There was a little bit of concern back in the > early TQF thread when someone started stating that some forms of knowledge > are "redundant" and should not be included in a TQF, and this is where it > starts to go wrong. But over all, the idea of developing an assessment > framework that aids the strengthening of new knowledge, the easier migration > of people, and an exchange of ideas.. this is certainly something that is > attractive. But over stating that, or developing something that has an > impact of people's ideas about curricula, or the establishment of new forms > of knowledge, or the squashing of old forms, this is something to watch out > for every step of the way. > > I'm not sure I agree with John Stampe's organising principles based on his > experience in software development. > > The thing is with software development or collaborative editing is that > > > there are trade-offs. You want a product (software, text, learning tools, > > etc.) that is open to new ideas, new features, and new approaches. One the > > other hand you need somebody (a "maintainer" in open software circles) who > > will maintain direction and purpose to the project. > > In my experience there has in fact been very very little actual > collaborative editing on Wikieducator - and this is a good thing in many > ways. Yet we continue to refer to collaborative editing as one of the key > organising principles for Wikieducator. Instead, we have a networked model. > Again I would refer to the video of Stephen Downes articulating his thoughts > about the tension between groups and > networks<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4126240905912531540>, > where I sit more comfortably in the zone of networked participant, and I > think it is a more realistic organising principle for Wikieducator. The > distribution and re-networking of information and communication is different > (I think) to software development. To use the software development analogy > that John has reintroduced: the information and communication development > (that we might just call content for now) exists in 100s of thousands of > "folks", and those "folks" are converged from time to time to form nodes (as > Maria explains). Those nodes build up and/or disappear. Very rarely (never) > do they converge to make one (although Maria desires it). It is kind of the > opposite to software development, and so far it is opposite to Wikieducator. > I myself have been following the collaborative editing promise and software > development analogy (sharing in Maria's desire for one thing), but > increasingly I'm becoming more and more uncomfortable with it as I find > myself centralising and struggling with grouped thinking and tradeoffs. > > > > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:12 AM, Chris Harvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Your asking something different. Originally you were talking about naming. > > Disambiguation would probably be a good example of this. > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Disambiguation > > > For a good example of multiple pages from different points of view about > > the same concept perhaps look at this page. > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_education > > > Or perhaps portals likehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics_portal > > > Anyway, I should be in bed, I'll try to find more info tommorow if your not > > satisfied. > > > Warm Regards > > Chris > > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:16 PM, Maria Droujkova <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > >> Chris, > > >> Can you please point me in the direction of some good examples? I want to > >> see multiple pages from different points of view about the same concept. > > >> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:51 AM, Chris Harvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > >>> Names stand for ideas, so there will be the one and the only page about > >>>> "constructivism" and "math" and "multiplication" in any wiki. > > >>> This is wrong, in an encyclopedia or dictionary this may be true. > > >>> Warm regards > >>> Chris Harvey > >>> chris.superuser.com.au > > >> -- > >> Cheers, > >> MariaD > > >> I write, 'In the beginning was the Deed!' - Goethe, Faust > > >> naturalmath.com: a sketch of a social math site > >> groups.google.com/group/naturalmath: a mailing list about math maker > >> activities > > -- > -- > Leigh Blackall+64(0)21736539 > skype - leigh_blackall > SL - Leroy > Goalposthttp://learnonline.wordpress.comhttp://www.wikieducator.org/User:Leighblackall --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "WikiEducator" group. 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