Glen, Thank you for your email message
I really do not want to start a split between the content fold and the techies. I hope we all stay together because we can learn from each other. I was discouraged because I did not see anybody taking up my proposed discussion topic to help make it happen. Yesterday's responses on the listserv were very heartening, and I would like to continue. I have had no experience running a discussion conference, and can not afford a web cam. I need people to say how it can happen, and to say they could make it happen. I do want to learn, but it is too early for me to take responsibility to run the conference. I get lost in acronyms and initials, and do not know what a DIY or LMS is. 2009/3/20 ggatin <[email protected]>: > Hi Phil and all, > I've been subscribed to Wikieducator for awhile and I am more > interested in your topics than the more technical aspects of wikis. > The technology does fascinate me and I have great respect for the work > people are doing here but I recognize that my lack of programming > skills diminishes my ability to appreciate or to contribute to the > discussion here much of the time. Could be that I am in the wrong > place. > > I may have missed the start of the thread that you mentioned but if > you were to reintroduce it I would be very interested in following > along. > > I think that wikis, blogs, podcasts, virtual worlds and other web > based things could be the convivial tools that Illich hoped for as an > antidote for the new colonization of the world of education that is > the object of the corporate learning sector. Most learning management > systems appear to be, first and formost, an attempt to add another > layer of control in the service of the industrial model of education. > The pasting on of crippled up social networking tools only makes for a > creepy tree-house. > > I have been very interested in the discussions organized around the > themes of edupunk or DIY or heutagogy. A recent series of YouTube > clips feature a discussion between Jim Groom and Gardner Campbell. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7MxVqe_uRI One of the images that > stuck with me from the discussion was Groom's characterization of the > "fluorescent lighted learning space of the LMS". > > Groom's description captures the bland (or garish) uniformity and the > attitude of "good enough for distance ed" where course and program > designers sacrifice imagination to appease old mindsets. > > Rather than trying to duplicate what happens in a LMS I would like a > wiki to provide a framework tool to support personalized learning. > Part of a toolset that I can bring to a learning event, enrich while I > am there and then take with me on to my next learning experience. It > should not reside in an educational institution no matter how > benevolent. > > Of course this discussion may be occurring here and I have just not > been paying close enough attention. If I am way off track, please show > me the door and point me in the right direction. > Regards, > Glen > > On Mar 19, 1:07 am, Phil Bartle <[email protected]> wrote: >> I am thinking about backing out of this endeavor. I started it as a >> result of the L4C course I took where there appeared to be enthusiasm >> for the idea. My own interest is in Functional Literacy, deschooling >> society and the like, from reading Ivan Illich and Paulo Friere in the >> sixties. No one from the class has picked up the ball. The discussions >> on this listserv went into technical areas that confound me. I know my >> material and I am an experienced teacher, but I simply do not have the >> I technology to carry this myself. >> >> If the coach does the pushups, >> The athlete will not get stronger >> Community Empowerment:www.scn.org/cmp/ >> WikiEducatorhttp://www.wikieducator.org/User:Philbartle >> Join our discusssion >> forumhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Community_Strengthening >> >> == 1 of 1 == >> Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 7:23 am >> From: valerie >> >> Hi Phil >> >> How about a question of the week here? Do you have specific topics to >> get some interaction and feedback? >> >> Do you want to ask specific questions to help populate sections of >> your >> outline?http://www.wikieducator.org/Non_Formal_Education_Online_Conference >> >> Reading through the information and the comments, all sorts of >> questions come to mind for me. The topics vs. skills issue is >> interesting, for example. How formal is non-formal education? Are >> there specific learning outcomes? Who sets those? Does this have to be >> decided or known to address the other topics? >> >> ..Valerie --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "WikiEducator" group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
