Dear Wayne, Then I see no reason why we should hesitate to switch. WE `are only providing an additional option.
Cheers, Savithri 2009/9/27 Wayne Mackintosh <[email protected]> > Good qeustion Savithri > > The FCKeditor extension for Mediawiki converts the text into wiki syntax > :-), which means that users can still continue editing in the conventional > way. > > Cheers > Wayne > > 2009/9/27 Savithri Singh <[email protected]> > >> Dear Wayne, >> >> WYSIWYG will definitely be useful for people who are diffident of working >> with syntax - it will help more people to contribute to WE. >> >> Tell me something - if a page is created via WYSIWYG then later can we >> edit it our conventional way? Then even embedding templates can ebe done. >> >> Allowing WYSIWYG is a great initiative. >> >> Savithri >> >> >> 2009/9/27 NELLIE DEUTSCH <[email protected]> >> >>> Hello Everyone, >>> >>> Well, since my interest lies in active learning and engaging learners, I >>> would like invite those with common interests to join me in brainstorming to >>> find ways to engage members of the community. >>> >>> Warm wishes, >>> Nellie Deutsch >>> Sharing is Caring! >>> Doctoral Student >>> Educational Leadership >>> Curriculum and Instruction >>> Get ready for CO10: http://connecting-online.ning.com/ >>> Free online workshops on WikiEducator: >>> http://www.wikieducator.org/Workshops >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Wayne Mackintosh < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Nellie >>>> >>>> Would always welcome another 11,000 active members :-) >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Wayne >>>> >>>> 2009/9/27 NELLIE DEUTSCH <[email protected]> >>>> >>>>> Wayne, >>>>> You are very modest about the amount of work you put into making things >>>>> happen on WE. I would like to invite the over 11,000 members of >>>>> WikiEducator >>>>> to become active participants. >>>>> There is a great deal each of us can do to share the load and show the >>>>> world that WE is an active community that is bringing education and >>>>> learning >>>>> to everyone on the planet. >>>>> Warm wishes, >>>>> Nellie Deutsch >>>>> Sharing is Caring! >>>>> Doctoral Student >>>>> Educational Leadership >>>>> Curriculum and Instruction >>>>> Get ready for CO10: http://connecting-online.ning.com/ >>>>> Free online workshops on WikiEducator: >>>>> http://www.wikieducator.org/Workshops >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 1:08 AM, Wayne Mackintosh < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Nellie, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for the kind words :-) -- but it's not just me. >>>>>> >>>>>> We have a sterling team of volunteer techies with folk like Jim and >>>>>> Wen-Chen watching over smooth operations of our web sites and future >>>>>> technology deployments, we also have a team of WikiEDTech advisers plus >>>>>> the >>>>>> folk over at Athabasca University preparing for the migration of the >>>>>> servers. We have funders like the NZ Ministry of Education and Hewlett >>>>>> who >>>>>> are helping us spread the reach of OER across the planet. We shouldn't >>>>>> forget our committment to transparent and democractic governance models >>>>>> with >>>>>> a team of 25 international open education professionals who volunteer >>>>>> time >>>>>> ensuring the stewardship of good governance. Above all -- the thousands >>>>>> of >>>>>> educators who spend hours working on OER in WikiEducator. >>>>>> >>>>>> That said -- the independance we now have with the OER Foundation >>>>>> (see: http://tinyurl.com/nnqg9e) gives us greater flexibility and >>>>>> agility than was possible working under an intergovernmental agency. We >>>>>> still have lots of work to do -- but have a very solid foundation for >>>>>> scalable growth. >>>>>> >>>>>> Our next step is to figure out the best way to implement the embedding >>>>>> of third party media (like video, slideshows etc) and this is high on >>>>>> our >>>>>> list of priorities. The question of embedding third party media is not so >>>>>> much a technical barrier, but more a question of free content licensing >>>>>> and >>>>>> open file formats. >>>>>> >>>>>> Increasingly, video hosting sites now provide functionality to tag >>>>>> user rights -- for example Creative Commons Licenses. In an ideal >>>>>> world, we >>>>>> would want the capabilities for WikiEducators to have access to editable >>>>>> versions of the video files in open file formats. We're certainly a lot >>>>>> closer to achieving this goal today than we were a year ago. >>>>>> >>>>>> Watch this spaces -- pretty soon we will be able to embedd video from >>>>>> third party sites in ways which align with our community values! >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> Wayne >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2009/9/27 NELLIE DEUTSCH <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> Excellent progress, Wayne. I am very impressed by the amount of work >>>>>>> and progress you are making to "make things happen" on WikiEducator and >>>>>>> implementing WYSIWYG. I wonder if adding the editor would also allow >>>>>>> publishers to embed html codes for videos. >>>>>>> Warm wishes, >>>>>>> Nellie Deutsch >>>>>>> Sharing is Caring! >>>>>>> Doctoral Student >>>>>>> Educational Leadership >>>>>>> Curriculum and Instruction >>>>>>> Get ready for CO10: http://connecting-online.ning.com/ >>>>>>> Free online workshops on WikiEducator: >>>>>>> http://www.wikieducator.org/Workshops >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Wayne Mackintosh < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For sometime our Community has requested that we implement a WYSIWYG >>>>>>>> editor in WikiEducator. Many teachers and educators say that wiki >>>>>>>> text is a >>>>>>>> barrier to participation. WikiEducator is keen to respond to these >>>>>>>> requests. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To date, we've been holding back on implementing rich text editing >>>>>>>> for two reasons: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Maturity of the WYSIWYG technology (Most notably issues with >>>>>>>> templates and large content pages) >>>>>>>> - A reliable funding source to implement the refinements that >>>>>>>> will be necessary for an educational wiki >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The MediaWiki+FCKeditor project has matured considerably over the >>>>>>>> last 2 years and we believe that it is now feasible to install WYSIWYG >>>>>>>> editing for WikiEducator. Also, with funding support from the New >>>>>>>> Zealand >>>>>>>> Ministry of Education we are now in a position to start work on the >>>>>>>> implementation of refinements that will be required for educators (for >>>>>>>> example, pull down menus for our pedagogical templates incorporating >>>>>>>> text >>>>>>>> boxes for the different parameters for these templates). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We need to cater for two kinds of users: 1) Those (like myself ;-) >>>>>>>> ) who prefer wiki syntax to rich text editing and (2) those users who >>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>> prefer using a WYSIWYG environment. Fortunately -- the FCKeditor >>>>>>>> enables >>>>>>>> users to make the choice. Even within the FCKeditor -- there is an >>>>>>>> option to >>>>>>>> edit using wiki text. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> NOTE: Experienced WikiEducators can continue to edit in the usual >>>>>>>> way -- They will NOT be required to switch over to Rich Text Editing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I propose that we use a phased approach: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - *Phase 1*: Install the FCKeditor WYSIWYG editor as an optional >>>>>>>> user preference. The editor works well for the majority of editing >>>>>>>> functions, however the implementation for templates is not ideal >>>>>>>> and could >>>>>>>> be confusing for newbies. That said, newbies do not typically start >>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>> templates until they are more experienced and experienced editor >>>>>>>> will know >>>>>>>> how to use templates should they choose to use the RTE option. >>>>>>>> Therefore, I >>>>>>>> think the advantages outweigh the disadvantages in holding back on >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> implementation until we get a better user interface for editing >>>>>>>> templates. >>>>>>>> There will be a few pages in WikiEducator where the rich text >>>>>>>> editor will >>>>>>>> not work effectively -- for example pages which are largely >>>>>>>> rendered through >>>>>>>> templates. On these pages we will turn-off RTE editing. These pages >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> maintained by experienced editors -- so there shouldn't be any >>>>>>>> issues in >>>>>>>> maintaining these pages. During Phase 1, there is a possibility >>>>>>>> that we will >>>>>>>> not have WYSIWYG capability for talk pages or the template >>>>>>>> namespace. >>>>>>>> - *Phase 2*: Continue with development work regarding the >>>>>>>> refinements we need for an educational wiki. These enhancements >>>>>>>> will be >>>>>>>> released once tested and reliable at a later stage during the >>>>>>>> project. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> WikiEducators can test how WYSIWYG editing works using the >>>>>>>> MediaWiki+FCKeditor project. Create an account and test the editor >>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>> the sandbox on this wiki: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://mediawiki.fckeditor.net/Sandbox >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please try this out and let us know what you think. Thoughts and >>>>>>>> suggestions are welcome! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think that this is an important and valuable step for WikiEducator >>>>>>>> and that we should be bold and move forward with the suggestion. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>> Wayne >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >>>>>>>> Director, >>>>>>>> International Centre for Open Education, >>>>>>>> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >>>>>>>> Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >>>>>>>> Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, >>>>>>>> www.wikieducator.org >>>>>>>> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >>>>>>>> Skype: WGMNZ1 >>>>>>>> Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >>>>>> Director, >>>>>> International Centre for Open Education, >>>>>> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >>>>>> Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >>>>>> Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, >>>>>> www.wikieducator.org >>>>>> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >>>>>> Skype: WGMNZ1 >>>>>> Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. >>>> Director, >>>> International Centre for Open Education, >>>> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >>>> Board of Directors, OER Foundation. >>>> Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, >>>> www.wikieducator.org >>>> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >>>> Skype: WGMNZ1 >>>> Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> डॉक्टर सावित्री सिंह >> प्रधानाचार्य >> आचार्य नरेन्द्र देव कॉलेज >> ( दिल्ली विश्वविद्यालय ) >> गोविन्दपुरी, कालकाजी >> नयी दिल्ली 110019 >> >> Dr. Savithri Singh >> Principal >> Acharya Narendra Dev College >> (University of Delhi) >> Govindpuri, Kalkaji >> New Delhi 110 019 >> >> Tel: 2629 4542, 2629 3224, 2641 2547 >> Fax: (011) 2629 4540 >> Res: 2584 8151 2584 9786 2584 3496 >> >> http://andcollege.du.ac.in >> http://wikieducator.org/Acharya_Narendra_Dev_College >> http://wikieducator.org/User:Savi.odl >> http://wikieducator.org/India >> http://wikieducator.org/India/wikieducator_launch >> http://www.slideshare.net/singh.savithri >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. > Director, > International Centre for Open Education, > Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. > Board of Directors, OER Foundation. > Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator, www.wikieducator.org > Mobile +64 21 2436 380 > Skype: WGMNZ1 > Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg > > > > -- डॉक्टर सावित्री सिंह प्रधानाचार्य आचार्य नरेन्द्र देव कॉलेज ( दिल्ली विश्वविद्यालय ) गोविन्दपुरी, कालकाजी नयी दिल्ली 110019 Dr. Savithri Singh Principal Acharya Narendra Dev College (University of Delhi) Govindpuri, Kalkaji New Delhi 110 019 Tel: 2629 4542, 2629 3224, 2641 2547 Fax: (011) 2629 4540 Res: 2584 8151 2584 9786 2584 3496 http://andcollege.du.ac.in http://wikieducator.org/Acharya_Narendra_Dev_College http://wikieducator.org/User:Savi.odl http://wikieducator.org/India http://wikieducator.org/India/wikieducator_launch http://www.slideshare.net/singh.savithri --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "WikiEducator" group. 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