> As you figure these things out - and you can prime me with the right > technical questions to ask the folks at CANAIRIE -http://www.canarie.ca- , > I'll be happy to make some enquiries. > > My good buddy Jamie Rossiter may also have some contacts there that we may > wish to contact. (I may be wrong, but at one time he might have sat on the > board of either Canairie, or OCRI in Ottawa) -www.ocri.ca
Thanks Randy. That's kind of you . No real technical question. The obvious tool to use is the accessgrid, and that quite mature now. Choose a site. http://www.accessgrid.org/community One thing which would be great, cause you strike me as a creative type, would be if you portable camera, and try and get our geekish friends to understand that what we are attempting is a professional TV show, not an academic meeting. I'm not saying we are trying to pose, but if you have a handycam with mic when someone asks a question, and you stick it under their nose, it works. We had a lot of fun with the learning when linking up between Melbourne, Brisbane and Woolongong. Besides the unrelenting technical stuff ups (we were band aiding it together through a lousy wireless connection and ustream), the raw approach made every at ease. Give me a bit of time getting over to Europe (popping in on UAE's NREN). I guess the main thing would be to see how many people in the unis around you would like to 'sit in' on the Apan's sydney > meetings. Check out the e-culture and 'future of the internet' streams' > http://www.apan.net/meetings/Sydney2010/schedule.php > Cheers, > > - Randy > > On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Wayne Mackintosh < > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Simon, > > > The OER Foundation is very receptive to facilitating shared > > infrastructure. That said, to date we've not had much success with Karen > > yet in figuring our how WikiEdcuator.nz for example could collaborate and > > share the local NREN. Obviously synchronous communication tools would be a > > great value addition to this "OER learning infrastructure" > > > mmm -- I don't see that the CNX-WE project is duplication -- rather a step > > in the right direction to improve OER interoperability and hopefully > > contribute to less duplication of effort. I'm I missing something. > > > At the end of the day -- this comes down to dollars -- the folk who take > > the decisions about resource allocation. From OERFs perspective -- we have > > no preference for the infrastructure that is used - -as long as its free > > software. > > > So what are you proposing? A couple of Video conferences bringing folk from > > the OER community together with the NRENs? That seems like a sensible thing > > to be do. > > > What do we want to talk about? Is this about NRENS hosting installations > > like WE? (not such a bad idea IMHO -- most of the newer NRENs need content > > to generate the traffic to warrant the investment ;-) ) -- But hey -- sites > > like WE are not white listed on Karen (to the best of my knowledge) -- so > > while, for example our institution has theoretical "access" to this amazing > > bandwidth, NZ WikiEducator usesr must chug along using the narrow pipe > > alternatives for access. How do we mediate the language between the > > technogeeks and the technophobes (we teachers ;-) ) during these > > discussions. > > > Cheers > > Wayne > > > 2009/11/30 simonfj <[email protected]> > > > Congrats guys, > > >> Yu really are doing wonderful stuff. > > >> Can I bring up this one about the "technology required to make the OER > >> vision a reality". I wish i could talk about the physical > >> infrastructure/distribution meaningfully but this is beyond me. I've > >> set myself up an impossible enough task by attempting to get the > >> content creators, many of whom are OERers, and the infrastructure > >> guys, to collaborate. Or at least gain some understanding of what each > >> community is doing. Their ends do coincide, if not their language and > >> agendas. > > >> Most of the global infrastructure developments in the edu/research/gov > >> domains can be seen through this euro centric portal. > >>http://global.dante.net/ > > >> So far as the language in this technical space is concerned, the main > >> language revolves around what is called "Middleware"; the software > >> layer that helps apps talk to one another and sits above different > >> operating systems. The apps are what content creators just want access > >> to. We need a user name & password, usually issued by single > >> institution to their version of an app and content = duplicate ad > >> infinatum. This is something the OER Foundation is addressing > >> fundamentally. > > >> At the moment, throughout the (mainly developed) world, there is a > >> push on by all NREN to create federations. Rather than going into > >> great detail, let me just point you at this Aussie initiative. Take > >> for granted with a bit of work i could point at a similar initiative > >> in your country.http://www.aaf.edu.au/index.php/services/ > > >> Long story short, we are getting to the point whare the NREN are > >> reconfiguring to support global groups (taskforces/ committees) rather > >> than national institutions. All the groups tend to be subject specific > >> in their interests and the bandwidth, apps - in short, the 'network > >> services' - which their global community will want to use. The > >> middleware guys in each NREN understand that the only way they can > >> satisfy these disparate needs is to try and talk to each community, > >> which is a bit like herding cats on a global basis = impossible > > >> So we have a catch 22. Communities like wikipedia and wikiedicator. > >> i.e. passionate people who prefer to use one tool to produce open > >> content often duplicate wonderful stuff in their attempts to acheive > >> their related visions. Rarely do they have an opportunity to > >> contemplate what other ICT services may be identified which could be > >> shared between communities. (I noticed the Connexions Google group as > >> another duplication) Meanwhile, the Middleware guys who must allocate > >> resources, and try and figure out what service may be demanded and > >> when, are simply bamboozled. > > >> OK. That the rave. I'm sorry for it. I'm sitting in Manila after > >> talking to their preginet, after taking for years with the likes of > >> aarnet, karen, internet2 (do a google search on NREN if yu want the > >> list), and it seems like the right time and place to start looking at > >> this. Let me bring it down to something concrete. If you're in the > >> APac region, this is the hub of the geekly get together. > >>http://www.apan.net/meetings/Sydney2010/schedule.php > >> My interest is in the e-culture thread, cause the WP community has it, > >> and APAN members have a clue but no experience of it. > > >> I'll be be talking to terena's taskforces who look at this convergence > >> and be pushing to have a VC link up between Euro sites and Sydney. It > >> would be great if we could get the ice broken here to run, not just > >> for a singular event, but a series of get togethers which might help > >> welcome a few nearsiders to the e-culture fold, and give us an > >> opportunity to see which basic tools (services) many global OER > >> communities could share. > > >> regards, > > >> PS Randy, How about Canada (canarie)? > > >> On Nov 28, 10:35 am, Wayne Mackintosh <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > Hi Edward, > > >> > Always interested in talking about the learning infrastructure needed > >> > to make OER happen globally :-) > > >> > > Are you interested in discussing the infrastructure needed to make > >> > > this happen globally? > > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> Groups "WikiEducator" group. > >> To visit wikieducator:http://www.wikieducator.org > >> To visit the discussion forum: > >>http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> [email protected] > > > -- > > Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. > > Director, > > International Centre for Open Education, > > Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. > > Board of Directors, OER Foundation. > > Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator,www.wikieducator.org > > Mobile +64 21 2436 380 > > User Page:http://wikieducator.org/User:Mackiwg > > Skype: WGMNZ1 > > Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "WikiEducator" group. > > To visit wikieducator:http://www.wikieducator.org > > To visit the discussion forum:http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected] > > -- > Open Education is a sustainable and renewable resource. > > ________________ > Randy Fisher, MA, OMD > Senior Consultant, Organization Development, Intersol Group, Canada > > Senior Consultant, Organization & Business Development > International Centre for Open Education / OER Foundation, New Zealand > > Elected Member, WikiEducator Community Council,www.wikieducator.org > +1 613.230.6424 x144 (EST) > Skype: wikirandy > Twitter: wikirandy > > * Stakeholder Engagement, Change / Transition Management & Performance > * Organization Design & Development > * Sustainable Project Implementation & Community-Building > * E-Learning, Online Collaboration & Communities of Practice > * Coaching & Facilitation > * My Bio:http://www.communitybuildingexpert.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "WikiEducator" group. 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