On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 3:27 AM, George Herbert <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 1:59 PM, David Goodman <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The long term solution for this particular topic is for people to >> start writing books about MUDs. One or two books by reputable >> publishers with a chapter on that MUD would have made deletion >> impossible. One or two anytime in the future will permit reinstating >> the article. >> >> If some Wikipedia admins want conventional sources, give them >> conventional sources >> >> On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Michel Vuijlsteke <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > 2009/1/10 Fred Bauder <[email protected]> >> > >> >> "Wikipedia editors should really have enough knowledge about their >> >> subject matter to make choices based on good judgement rather than >> strict >> >> adherence to flawed guidelines. Any guideline, law or contract doesn't >> >> absolve one from using one's brain — these things are just frameworks >> for >> >> handling worst-case scenarios better. >> >> >> >> http://www.unwesen.de/articles/wikipedia_on_mud_history >> >> >> >> This is what is frustrating to me. Although I am not recognized expert >> on >> >> MUDs, I know enough that the decision made is obviously wrong, while >> >> those making the decision seem entirely innocent of the subject. >> >> >> > >> > Oh, we shouldn't worry that there's a hole in Wikipedia MUD coverage >> where >> > Threshold used to be -- from the AfD: >> > >> > >> > - *KEEP*. Read all other MUDs in category, Threshold is definitely most >> > notable of them all with the most independent press coverage. [...] >> > - *Comment* WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS< >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS>, >> > for one; we'll get to deleting those other MUD articles in due >> > time, if it's >> > merited. [...] >> > >> > >> > I don't know know about any of you, but when the first thing on the >> closing >> > admin's talk page is "I have deleted over 1,700 pages on Wikipedia, >> through >> > C:CSD <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C:CSD> and >> > WP:AFD<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AFD>. >> > A very small percentage of that, 2-3%, have been listed at deletion >> > review<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:DRV>, >> > and only a handful have been overturned -- and not a single one has been >> > because of "corruption" or bad >> > faith<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AGF>.", >> > I get a really bad feeling. >> > >> > Michel >> > > It would be simpler and easier to file an Arbcom case for the closing admin > having brought Wikipedia into disrepute, and get him desysopped. > > Pour encourager les autres... > > Deletionism has had a good run. Now it's having a bad run, and it's got to > get knocked back into a socially acceptable state. We're all suffering for > the lack of sense its adherents are showing. It's damaging the community, > it's a longstanding huge embarrassment with the rest of the Internet > community, and it's the worst area of process wonkery. > > Deleting [[My Little Dog Fluffy]] is fine. Deleting bands without recording > contracts is fine. People being eager and happy to aggressively do far more > than that is just wrong. We as a community need to stand up and say that > it's too destructive, even if the editors and admins in question are good > people and acting out of their perceived interests of the good of the > encyclopedia. There are plenty of good people who want to help Wikipedia > who we can't actually tolerate being around the community. Rabid > deletionists have reached that point, collectively. > > It's got to stop. > > I am on vacation, or I would be headed on-wiki and not to bed. I encourage > someone not on vacation to file a case. > > > -- > -george william herbert > [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > WikiEN-l mailing list > [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >
Should be an interesting case. I'm sure the ArbCom will be very ready to desysop someone for a close that was upheld when challenged. Maybe we should instead desysop those who think that "editing" doesn't sometimes mean "cutting", which is counter to every definition of the term there is. Or maybe we could have a discussion over it rather than throwing empty threats. -- Freedom is the right to say that 2+2=4. From this all else follows. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list [email protected] To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
