On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Luna<[email protected]> wrote: > It's almost as if the vast bulk of discussion takes place on the wiki, or > something.
So, anyway, no. High level dispute resolution deliberations don't seem to happen on the wiki, and this has brought about a general lack of responsiveness, and has also negated open discussion itself to a certain degree. Keep in mind that people get their motivation from different places - and in my case my recent Arbitration case left me with a certain reminder of something that I had not dealt with before - that Arbcom's deliberations are private, it does not like treating people like people, and it thinks of itself as a kind of monolith of decision. So, the idea I had a few years ago about a 'formal process for resolving disputes' has been a resounding success, but it has also become quite bureaucratic, overworked, and insular. > That, specifically, is something I find missing from your proposal: an > earnest explanation of what this gives us that on-wiki discussion cannot. > Personally, I think it sounds likely to fragment discussion and encourage > forum shopping, aside from giving people the feeling they've been run around > -- even if you personally have a firm idea of the list's remit, other people > will not. An open mailing list for dispute resolution will bring about greater openness and wikilove. It's true though that I long ago argued that wikien-l was not the place for discussing on-wiki disputes, and its gratifying to see how people have over time incorporated that idea. But its my notion that we can and should discuss dispute resolutions in a more open and centralized way, and I think a dedicated mailing list would work in that respect. > Your increasingly incessant personal attacks and use of the royal "we" -- > what else could you be referring to? -- are a but off-putting, as well. I appreciate the fact that someone perceived as making personal attacks will be chastised by you and others, but the fact of the matter is that I have never made any personal attacks against Cary or anyone else in this matter. A couple sarcastic or pointy responses to similarly sarcastic or rude commentary do not qualify. Your "incessant" term is a gross mischaracterization. -Stevertigo _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list [email protected] To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
