On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Samuel Klein<[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Carcharoth<[email protected]> > wrote: >>> >>> Ironically, wikis are so far the online medium which have done best at >>> long-term conversations: I routinely see talk page conversations where >>> the gaps between one message and another may be a year or three. This >>> is not something I've ever been able to say of email lists, IRC chat, >>> IM, newsgroups, social sites, web aggregators, most every blog... >> >> Probably to do with the stable central point - the page being >> discussed. All the other mediums you mention are transient. New >> articles hardly anyone returns to. Here, the encyclopedia pages are >> (in theory) kept up-to-date. > > When there is a namespace set aside for central points, such as > individual topics, wikis do this brilliantly. But many wiki processes > simply archive without a central point (or have a week-long discussion > which is then frozen, no more discussion to be had). > > One aspect of a community facilitation project would be to define a > namespace for issues, which might be moved and renamed over time, but > would not be 'closed' or 'archived' because someone though a > particular proposed implementation was not a good idea. If someone > thought it was an issue to consider, then it is a valid point in the > namespace, and will always be so. Someone else might come up with a > great resolution to that issue in the future; it might be effectively > merged with other similar issues; it mght be better understood as a > combination of two resolvable issues. > > Or it might just remain, with fluctuating priority, as something > intractable yet important-to-someone. > > For instance, I was looking for the latest thoughts on the topic of > 'How to create notability guidelines for a new category' (since > [[Category:Wikipedia notability guidelines]] is pretty sparse) without > success. > > And the a little while before that I wanted to see who else thought G8 > shouldn't be used to speedy delete talk pages or subpages with > valuable discussions. I had a specific example that would have > contributed to the idea that talk pages should be preserved... but > there was only a scattering of a dozen discussions across many > different talkpage archives. > > A permanent page for each of these issues, perhaps with one or more > self-selected facilitators willing to help incorporate new thoughts > and more towards a long-term resolution, would be interesting. To > start with, you could seed the issues namespace with the perennial > proposals. [[WP:PEREN]] does not do these justice; and in short order > a good facilitator could replace each of the "Reason for previous > rejection" statements with a reworded but equally accurate "Current > compromise or resolution".
Is there a suitable place on-wiki to put a summary of some of the points in this thread? Carcharoth _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list [email protected] To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
