i agree with you very much that Welcome, but ... messages as currently used would be considered an insult or condescending by almost anyone. "Here's your speeding ticket. Have a nice day!"
You might try using custom messages. I have variations on several that I use, but i always to adapt them to make it clear I am talking about their actual article. A sentence that what you need most to do is to .... with something actually specific, instead of the boilerplate, will help those who have a chance of understanding, and sort out the ones who never will, or never intend to. Obviously, if someone is playing games with us, it's another matter, but there too I often use a custom message, usually a variation on "enough already!" I have sometime gotten the comment "OK, I took the earlier ones for meaningless computer output." I learned to do this from watching others who did, notably Durova. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Emily Monroe <[email protected]> wrote: >> "Delete on sight" is unwiki, and violates several of our core >> policies that supercede BLP including NPOV and CIVIL and their >> subordinates. > > True, but I see a lot of articles at new page patrol that also violate > NPOV, CIVIL, or both. "I run this great business" is POV, not to > mention SPAM. "Emily smells funny" violates CIVIL, and probably NPOV, > too. It's astonishing to see how obvious somebody will violate > Wikipedian article standards because they don't know what they're > doing, and I wish there was a more civil way to fix that problem > besides speedying their article and leaving them a "Welcome to > Wikipedia! Your first article really sucks!" temp message. > > Emily > On Sep 8, 2009, at 8:55 PM, stevertigo wrote: > >> Andrew Turvey<[email protected]> wrote: >>> Clearly whether we allow "deletion on sight" or require proposers >>> to improve articles first makes a big difference to whether this >>> backlog will ever be cleared. >> >> A couple ideas: >> >> 1) "Delete on sight" is unwiki, and violates several of our core >> policies that supercede BLP including NPOV and CIVIL and their >> subordinates. "Speedy" concepts also tend to promote uncivil behavior, >> such that people occasionally will do things like not read what they >> want to delete ([[WP:MFD/SV/ONS]]), and try to close ongoing MFD's >> ([[WP:DRV/SV/ONS]]) and even ANI's ([[WP:RFAR/DPP]]). >> >> 2) As far as getting backlogs cleared up, we have a large number of >> people coming through the penal system (misnamed "Arbitration," for >> some reason) who may choose to do work as part of the agreeable >> remedy. In fact, if Arbcom starts shaping up in accord with the >> dynamics of creativity and invention, such as in some imaginary >> scenario wherein they were free to interact and act autonomously, then >> it will be fairly easy for the community, through them, to get people >> to work on the menial tasks that others like myself just will not do. >> >> -Stevertigo >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WikiEN-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > > > _______________________________________________ > WikiEN-l mailing list > [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list [email protected] To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
