Sometimes the best way of spreading best practices like this is to write a userspace essay. It can start small, but can help get thoughts together. There are several userspace essays I should have written that I never did, so I'm not really one to talk. But some of the most insightful things I have read have often been in userspace (and projectspace) essays. And the worst, as well, but then some of the worst things I have read have been on policy and guidelines pages as well.
Carcharoth On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:55 AM, David Goodman <dgoodma...@gmail.com> wrote: > i agree with you very much that Welcome, but ... messages as > currently used would be considered an insult or condescending by > almost anyone. "Here's your speeding ticket. Have a nice day!" > > You might try using custom messages. I have variations on several that > I use, but i always to adapt them to make it clear I am talking about > their actual article. A sentence that what you need most to do is to > .... with something actually specific, instead of the boilerplate, > will help those who have a chance of understanding, and sort out the > ones who never will, or never intend to. > Obviously, if someone is playing games with us, it's another matter, > but there too I often use a custom message, usually a variation on > "enough already!" I have sometime gotten the comment "OK, I took the > earlier ones for meaningless computer output." > I learned to do this from watching others who did, notably Durova. > > > > > > David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG > > > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Emily Monroe <bluecalioc...@me.com> wrote: >>> "Delete on sight" is unwiki, and violates several of our core >>> policies that supercede BLP including NPOV and CIVIL and their >>> subordinates. >> >> True, but I see a lot of articles at new page patrol that also violate >> NPOV, CIVIL, or both. "I run this great business" is POV, not to >> mention SPAM. "Emily smells funny" violates CIVIL, and probably NPOV, >> too. It's astonishing to see how obvious somebody will violate >> Wikipedian article standards because they don't know what they're >> doing, and I wish there was a more civil way to fix that problem >> besides speedying their article and leaving them a "Welcome to >> Wikipedia! Your first article really sucks!" temp message. >> >> Emily >> On Sep 8, 2009, at 8:55 PM, stevertigo wrote: >> >>> Andrew Turvey<andrewrtur...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>>> Clearly whether we allow "deletion on sight" or require proposers >>>> to improve articles first makes a big difference to whether this >>>> backlog will ever be cleared. >>> >>> A couple ideas: >>> >>> 1) "Delete on sight" is unwiki, and violates several of our core >>> policies that supercede BLP including NPOV and CIVIL and their >>> subordinates. "Speedy" concepts also tend to promote uncivil behavior, >>> such that people occasionally will do things like not read what they >>> want to delete ([[WP:MFD/SV/ONS]]), and try to close ongoing MFD's >>> ([[WP:DRV/SV/ONS]]) and even ANI's ([[WP:RFAR/DPP]]). >>> >>> 2) As far as getting backlogs cleared up, we have a large number of >>> people coming through the penal system (misnamed "Arbitration," for >>> some reason) who may choose to do work as part of the agreeable >>> remedy. In fact, if Arbcom starts shaping up in accord with the >>> dynamics of creativity and invention, such as in some imaginary >>> scenario wherein they were free to interact and act autonomously, then >>> it will be fairly easy for the community, through them, to get people >>> to work on the menial tasks that others like myself just will not do. >>> >>> -Stevertigo >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WikiEN-l mailing list >>> WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WikiEN-l mailing list >> WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >> > > _______________________________________________ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l