On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 8:32 PM, George Herbert <[email protected]>wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Fred Bauder <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> On 14 July 2010 02:07, FT2 <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> The expectations upon admins are the pivot point for that. See [[ > >>> User:FT2/RfA <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:FT2/RfA>]]. > >>> > >>> Any ideas how we can get somewhere like that? > >>> > >>> FT2 > >>> > >> > >> Well to start with you could chuck your requirements out of the > >> window. Your requirements like most at RFA are selecting for 3 things > >> > >> 1)some degree of editing skill > >> 2)Not appearing to cause trouble > >> 3)A decent set of wikipolitics skill > >> > >> > >> It's two and three that cause the problem. Anyone whith a decent set > >> of wikipolitics skills is going to archive 2 by playing safe going > >> along with the flow and not challenging things. Almost anyone actually > >> passing RFA is going to have got into the habit of going along with > >> the ah "bad faith combined with mob justice". The people who might > >> actually try to challenge such things are unlikely to pass RFA because > >> either they lack the wikipolitics skills needed in order to pass (you > >> would tend to fail them under the "nor into politicking" clause among > >> others) or because they are not prepared to use them in a way that > >> would let them pass. > >> > >> Upshot is that we have for some years now been promoting a bunch of > >> admins who will go with the flow rather than challenge low level bad > >> behavior by admins and long standing users. The tiny number of rebels > >> and iconoclasts left are from years ago and have little to day to day > >> stuff. > >> > >> -- > >> geni > > > > Yes, that does seem to be the main requirement, a successful candidate > > must never have taken a stand. This for a job that requires taking > > stands. > > > > Fred > > I failed my first try, and could have failed my second if I hadn't > made a serious effort to ameliorate a negative perception from taking > a stand earlier. > > The edge of the knife that we must balance on is both being willing to > take stands, and be open to feedback from the community and from other > admins if we take the wrong stand. Balancing there all the time is > very hard. Being willing to admit you're wrong on something and still > come back the next day willing and ready to make a hard call on its > merits is not easy. > > > -- > -george william herbert > [email protected] > > Somehow this thread became about RFA standards. What happened? - causa sui _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list [email protected] To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
