Regardless, I think changing the wording would be a useful exercise if it has the potential to get new people involved.
Richard On 20 September 2013 10:24, Maarten Deneckere <[email protected]>wrote: > Michael, don't mistake page visits for uploads though > > We need to get people involved ... and the best way imho is still the > personal approach, as described above > > (+referrer stats only show part of your visitors) > > Groeten, Maarten > > > > 2013/9/20 Michael Maggs <[email protected]> > >> I can tell from the referrer stats for the UK site - >> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org.uk - that the majority of visitors are >> coming via the banner, mostly from the English Wikipedia, but a smattering >> from other Wikipedias. The proportion coming via some other route is quite >> small. >> >> Michael >> >> >> On 20 Sep 2013, at 09:59, Maarten Deneckere wrote: >> >> I don't think we will gain that much new contributors using a more prominent >> sitenotice. Most people just ignore it. Just ask friends and family, do >> they read that message? >> >> I organised WLM both in Belgium and South Africa, and I have far better >> experiences attracting people with a personal approach, eg. real life WLM >> events, our mailing list, Facebook groups. >> >> Maybe we can use this mailing list to 'show of' / share more examples? >> >> To start of, Belgium will promote WLM during two events: next Monday >> (Antwerp) and next Friday (upload marathon Gent).Any more events planned? >> >> Groeten, Maarten >> >> >> >> >> 2013/9/20 Andrea Zanni <[email protected]> >> >>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Michael Maggs <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> It's not rude: it has a double meaning in English. Maybe this would not >>>> work in other languages. >>>> >>>> I think it's perfect :-) >>> >>> Aubrey >>> >>> >>> >>>> e, it sounds very rude. >>>> I would say something reminding that we are on the last days of the >>>> competition and that you can still help Wikipedia and win... >>>> >>>> *Osmar Valdebenito G.* >>>> Director Ejecutivo >>>> A. C. Wikimedia Argentina >>>> >>>> >>>> 2013/9/19 Richard Symonds <[email protected]> >>>> >>>>> This sounds very sensible. >>>>> >>>>> Richard Symonds >>>>> Wikimedia UK >>>>> 0207 065 0992 >>>>> Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England >>>>> and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. >>>>> Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, >>>>> London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a >>>>> global >>>>> Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia >>>>> Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). >>>>> *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal >>>>> control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 19 September 2013 16:34, Michael Maggs <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> As there seems to be little international discussion about updating >>>>>> the CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change >>>>>> the >>>>>> the text for the UK (only) to >>>>>> >>>>>> Where have you been? Send us some photos! >>>>>> >>>>>> If anyone objects, please let me know. >>>>>> >>>>>> Michael >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki <[email protected] >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the >>>>>>> CentralNotice is at: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013/CentralNotice >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Discussion kicks off there! >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Karthik. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Romaine >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner >>>>>>> To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" < >>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (oh, and ps: probably native >>>>>>> countries like the US and GB work very differently than >>>>>>> non-native English countries. Here participate would >>>>>>> definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would >>>>>>> only be confusing. But that is probably stating the >>>>>>> obvious) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2013/9/11 Lodewijk >>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think there are two major factors in our >>>>>>> image count: >>>>>>> 1) new participants, people who never edited >>>>>>> before. 2) super uploaders, people with more >>>>>>> than 100 images >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The highest contribution to the number of images >>>>>>> is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of >>>>>>> images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany. >>>>>>> The banner has primarily an influence on 1), >>>>>>> which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a >>>>>>> change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that >>>>>>> coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly >>>>>>> situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In >>>>>>> some other countries, there are more banners competing even >>>>>>> (like in NL, a conference banner with call for >>>>>>> speakers). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Another way than the wording, is the >>>>>>> design. >>>>>>> I would suggest we continue this 'what is the >>>>>>> best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep >>>>>>> it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for >>>>>>> that? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lodewijk >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2013/9/11 Michael >>>>>>> Maggs <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Both >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Snap a snapshot for >>>>>>> Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves >>>>>>> Monuments" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> are the best I >>>>>>> have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as >>>>>>> the US. Maybe have them both running at 50% >>>>>>> ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Michael >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41, >>>>>>> Peter Ekman wrote: >>>>>>> I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted >>>>>>> in the last few days. It's fairly important to >>>>>>> determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be >>>>>>> something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation >>>>>>> in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner >>>>>>> display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop >>>>>>> happen in most countries? We don't have full control >>>>>>> over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space >>>>>>> with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some >>>>>>> of their displays if we ask nicely. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do agree that changing the banner from >>>>>>> time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of >>>>>>> ""Participate >>>>>>> in the world's largest photo-contest and >>>>>>> help Wikipedia," >>>>>>> would help any. The imperative verb >>>>>>> "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to >>>>>>> American English speakers. It suggests a high school home >>>>>>> economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies >>>>>>> to the annual bake-off. Something more active is >>>>>>> definitely needed, something along the line (but not >>>>>>> exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out >>>>>>> there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get >>>>>>> some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of >>>>>>> attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g. >>>>>>> "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type) >>>>>>> upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Snap" >>>>>>> might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the >>>>>>> action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike >>>>>>> "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic >>>>>>> site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or >>>>>>> maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun >>>>>>> "It's a snap, Wiki Loves >>>>>>> Monuments" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't >>>>>>> think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner, >>>>>>> but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up >>>>>>> with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound >>>>>>> bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or >>>>>>> dialects should be considered separately, as translations >>>>>>> are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might >>>>>>> mean something entirely different in British >>>>>>> English >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> PeteUser:Smallbones >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wlm2013-l mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://lists.wikimedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/wlm2013-l >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>>>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org > -- Richard Nevell Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0753 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. 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